Noel King

Yes, you're right.

It happening in New York City in the way that it was made it feel very mainstream.

Not long ago, the singer Billie Eilish got an award from the Wall Street Journal of all publications.

And it made me wonder whether we're seeing more of this kind of conversation in 2025 or whether it's happening in different quarters or whether this is just sort of a continuation of the last, I don't know, five, ten years.

I remember during in the years after the financial crisis, I was I was a beat reporter covering wealth and poverty.

And I remember everyone said this is like 2013, 14, 15.

Everyone said at some point there is going to be a class war in the United States.

People are fed up and they're frustrated and it's right in our faces.

And the thing that strikes me is a decade later, it is so much more right in our faces.

Social media is so much more a part of people's lives, not just Twitter, but there's TikTok, there's Instagram, where you get to see people's nice stuff and nice lives.

I've made my money.

I look cute.

I've got my matcha.

I've done my workout for the day.

What do I do for the rest of my day?

But I do wonder where you think American attitudes on this go as we go forward into something that feels like more billionaires and more billionaire control.

Evan Osnos of The New Yorker.

His latest book is The Haves and Have Yachts.

Abhishek Artsy produced today's show.

Jolie Myers edited.