Norma Licciardi

They went to at the ranch and they had Robert had bought this gun. So Michael shot it and it backfired.

They went to at the ranch and they had Robert had bought this gun. So Michael shot it and it backfired.

Robert had called me and he was talking to me about, you know, things that can happen. You know, do I know where your kids are at? He was, you know, wasn't threatening me, but making sure that I'm aware of things can happen unexpectedly. And so that's when I told him, you know, Robert, you touch my kids, I will kill you.

Robert had called me and he was talking to me about, you know, things that can happen. You know, do I know where your kids are at? He was, you know, wasn't threatening me, but making sure that I'm aware of things can happen unexpectedly. And so that's when I told him, you know, Robert, you touch my kids, I will kill you.

We had a code word for my daughters. If I had to have someone pick them up, that person would have to they would have to ask them the code word and the person would get it from me. And if they gave them the code word, then they were it was OK that they were to go with them.

We had a code word for my daughters. If I had to have someone pick them up, that person would have to they would have to ask them the code word and the person would get it from me. And if they gave them the code word, then they were it was OK that they were to go with them.

With Michael out of the way, then Robert can come in and his mind take over the business.

With Michael out of the way, then Robert can come in and his mind take over the business.

And so they called me. The office called me that Robert was there. I go, what's he doing there?

And so they called me. The office called me that Robert was there. I go, what's he doing there?

The girls were upset because he was fighting with Babitsky.

The girls were upset because he was fighting with Babitsky.

I said, well, just tell him to leave. He said, no, he's not. I thought he was arguing. He was physically beating Babitsky up.

I said, well, just tell him to leave. He said, no, he's not. I thought he was arguing. He was physically beating Babitsky up.

And I said, don't let him out of your sight. He has a gun. He's got a gun somewhere, I said. And if it's not on him, it's somewhere in the building.

And I said, don't let him out of your sight. He has a gun. He's got a gun somewhere, I said. And if it's not on him, it's somewhere in the building.

That was the only night that all of us had a good sleep because they had him in jail.

That was the only night that all of us had a good sleep because they had him in jail.

The next day he got out because they couldn't get him on federal charges because they didn't find the gun on him. Oh, I was so frustrated.

The next day he got out because they couldn't get him on federal charges because they didn't find the gun on him. Oh, I was so frustrated.