Norman Farb

I think his star graduate student went to work for Apple, but I was like the backup star graduate student.

Well, it remains to be seen.

A lot of that deep psychopathology emerges late in life, so playing the long game.

Yeah, so I would say, like you, Dan, I was not a meditation guy at all.

I really wanted to learn neuroimaging.

I'd done like psychophysiology, like how the body responds to emotions for a master's degree.

And functional neuroimaging or fMRI is really expensive.

And I knew that Adam, my supervisor, had something cooking where he had a funded fMRI study and I wanted to do neuroimaging and emotions for my PhD.

And I was already the guy in the lab who did yoga, like on the weekends.

So, you know, it was mostly initially, I would say, like a marriage of convenience where there's going to be this big imaging opportunity is going to be something kind of new and out there, which appealed to me.

And it was kind of scary meeting Zindel at the start.

He's like a distinguished professor at the biggest like mental health institution, Center for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto.

And quite a big power imbalance, I think, when we first met, like a first or second year PhD student.

So at the start, I was just like the person grinding the scans and getting the analysis going.

I think over the course of then starting to try to write grants together and just like, I don't know, thousands of meetings.

I think I heard you swear for the first time, maybe five years into our relationship.

And I was like, oh, I'm getting somewhere with this guy.

And then Adam ended up leaving to Cornell.

I ended up getting hired to stay on in Toronto as a professor.

And so now we're a bit more equalized in our roles.