Norman Finkelstein

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Okay. First of all, on this issue of double standards, which is the one that irks or irritates Muin, you said that you are not a person of double standards, unlike people like Muin. you hold high a single standard and you condemn deliberate Israeli attacks on civilians. And I would say that's true for the period up till 1967, and I think it's accurate, your account of the First Intifada.

Okay. First of all, on this issue of double standards, which is the one that irks or irritates Muin, you said that you are not a person of double standards, unlike people like Muin. you hold high a single standard and you condemn deliberate Israeli attacks on civilians. And I would say that's true for the period up till 1967, and I think it's accurate, your account of the First Intifada.

Okay. First of all, on this issue of double standards, which is the one that irks or irritates Muin, you said that you are not a person of double standards, unlike people like Muin. you hold high a single standard and you condemn deliberate Israeli attacks on civilians. And I would say that's true for the period up till 1967, and I think it's accurate, your account of the First Intifada.

There it seems to me you were in conformity with most mainstream accounts, and the case of the First Intifada You also used, surprisingly, you used Arab human rights sources like al-Haqq, which I think Muin worked for during the First Intifada. That's true. But then something very strange happens. So let's illustrate it.

There it seems to me you were in conformity with most mainstream accounts, and the case of the First Intifada You also used, surprisingly, you used Arab human rights sources like al-Haqq, which I think Muin worked for during the First Intifada. That's true. But then something very strange happens. So let's illustrate it.

There it seems to me you were in conformity with most mainstream accounts, and the case of the First Intifada You also used, surprisingly, you used Arab human rights sources like al-Haqq, which I think Muin worked for during the First Intifada. That's true. But then something very strange happens. So let's illustrate it.

That's what happened.

That's what happened.

That's what happened.

If we have time... I know the record very well. I'd be very happy to go through it with you. But let's get to those double standards. So, this is what you have to say about Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982. You said, "...Israel was reluctant to harm civilians, sought to avoid casualties on both sides, and took care..." not to harm Lebanese and Palestinian civilians.

If we have time... I know the record very well. I'd be very happy to go through it with you. But let's get to those double standards. So, this is what you have to say about Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982. You said, "...Israel was reluctant to harm civilians, sought to avoid casualties on both sides, and took care..." not to harm Lebanese and Palestinian civilians.

If we have time... I know the record very well. I'd be very happy to go through it with you. But let's get to those double standards. So, this is what you have to say about Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982. You said, "...Israel was reluctant to harm civilians, sought to avoid casualties on both sides, and took care..." not to harm Lebanese and Palestinian civilians.

You then went on to acknowledge the massive use of IDF firepower against civilians during the siege of Beirut, which traumatized Israeli society. Morris quickly enters the caveat that Israel, quote, tried to pinpoint military targets, but inevitably many civilians were hit. That's your description of the Lebanon War. As I say, that's when I first got involved in the conflict.

You then went on to acknowledge the massive use of IDF firepower against civilians during the siege of Beirut, which traumatized Israeli society. Morris quickly enters the caveat that Israel, quote, tried to pinpoint military targets, but inevitably many civilians were hit. That's your description of the Lebanon War. As I say, that's when I first got involved in the conflict.

You then went on to acknowledge the massive use of IDF firepower against civilians during the siege of Beirut, which traumatized Israeli society. Morris quickly enters the caveat that Israel, quote, tried to pinpoint military targets, but inevitably many civilians were hit. That's your description of the Lebanon War. As I say, that's when I first got involved in the conflict.

I am a voracious reader. I read everything on the Lebanon War. I would say there's not a single account of the Lebanon War in which the estimates are between 15,000 and 20,000 Palestinian Lebanese were killed, overwhelmingly civilians. genocide, biggest bloodletting, I would say I can't think of a single mainstream account that remotely approximates what you just said.

I am a voracious reader. I read everything on the Lebanon War. I would say there's not a single account of the Lebanon War in which the estimates are between 15,000 and 20,000 Palestinian Lebanese were killed, overwhelmingly civilians. genocide, biggest bloodletting, I would say I can't think of a single mainstream account that remotely approximates what you just said.

I am a voracious reader. I read everything on the Lebanon War. I would say there's not a single account of the Lebanon War in which the estimates are between 15,000 and 20,000 Palestinian Lebanese were killed, overwhelmingly civilians. genocide, biggest bloodletting, I would say I can't think of a single mainstream account that remotely approximates what you just said.