Norman Finkelstein

Okay. It is correct, as Muin put it, that it'll be several years before the court makes a determination. And my guess is it will determine there was no genocide. That's my guess. Yes, no, I'm just giving you my guess. I can't predict. I got it all wrong, actually, as Muin will attest. I got it all wrong the first time. I never thought the American judge would vote in favor of plausibility.

Okay. It is correct, as Muin put it, that it'll be several years before the court makes a determination. And my guess is it will determine there was no genocide. That's my guess. Yes, no, I'm just giving you my guess. I can't predict. I got it all wrong, actually, as Muin will attest. I got it all wrong the first time. I never thought the American judge would vote in favor of plausibility.

So you admit that you were wrong? Yeah, of course. I think I tell Muin twice a day I was wrong about this and I was wrong about that. I'm not wrong about the facts, I try not to be, but my speculations, they can be wrong. Okay, leaving that aside. First of all, as Muin pointed out, there's a difference between the legal decision by the ruling and an independent judgment.

So you admit that you were wrong? Yeah, of course. I think I tell Muin twice a day I was wrong about this and I was wrong about that. I'm not wrong about the facts, I try not to be, but my speculations, they can be wrong. Okay, leaving that aside. First of all, as Muin pointed out, there's a difference between the legal decision by the ruling and an independent judgment.

So you admit that you were wrong? Yeah, of course. I think I tell Muin twice a day I was wrong about this and I was wrong about that. I'm not wrong about the facts, I try not to be, but my speculations, they can be wrong. Okay, leaving that aside. First of all, as Muin pointed out, there's a difference between the legal decision by the ruling and an independent judgment.

Now, South Africa was not filing a frivolous case. That was 84 pages. It was single. Even 84 pages can be pretty frivolous. It takes an hour and a half to read.

Now, South Africa was not filing a frivolous case. That was 84 pages. It was single. Even 84 pages can be pretty frivolous. It takes an hour and a half to read.

Now, South Africa was not filing a frivolous case. That was 84 pages. It was single. Even 84 pages can be pretty frivolous. It takes an hour and a half to read.

It was single spaced and had literally hundreds of footnotes. It can still be frivolous. It's possible. Of course, but this one wasn't. Yeah, I read the report. To tell you the truth, I followed very closely everything that's been happening to October 7th. I was mesmerized. I couldn't believe the comprehensiveness of that particular report.

It was single spaced and had literally hundreds of footnotes. It can still be frivolous. It's possible. Of course, but this one wasn't. Yeah, I read the report. To tell you the truth, I followed very closely everything that's been happening to October 7th. I was mesmerized. I couldn't believe the comprehensiveness of that particular report.

It was single spaced and had literally hundreds of footnotes. It can still be frivolous. It's possible. Of course, but this one wasn't. Yeah, I read the report. To tell you the truth, I followed very closely everything that's been happening to October 7th. I was mesmerized. I couldn't believe the comprehensiveness of that particular report.

Number two, there were two quite respected experts of international law sitting on the South African panel, John Dugard and Vaughan Lowe. Vaughan Lowe, as you might know, he argued the Wall case in 2004 before the International Court of Justice. Now, they were not

Number two, there were two quite respected experts of international law sitting on the South African panel, John Dugard and Vaughan Lowe. Vaughan Lowe, as you might know, he argued the Wall case in 2004 before the International Court of Justice. Now, they were not

Number two, there were two quite respected experts of international law sitting on the South African panel, John Dugard and Vaughan Lowe. Vaughan Lowe, as you might know, he argued the Wall case in 2004 before the International Court of Justice. Now, they were not

They were alleging genocide, which in their view means the evidence in their minds, we're not yet at the court, the evidence in their minds compels the conclusion that genocide is being committed. I am willing, because I happen to know Mr. Dugard personally and I've corresponded with Vaughn Lowe, I've heard their claim, I've read the report, I would say they make a very strong case.

They were alleging genocide, which in their view means the evidence in their minds, we're not yet at the court, the evidence in their minds compels the conclusion that genocide is being committed. I am willing, because I happen to know Mr. Dugard personally and I've corresponded with Vaughn Lowe, I've heard their claim, I've read the report, I would say they make a very strong case.

They were alleging genocide, which in their view means the evidence in their minds, we're not yet at the court, the evidence in their minds compels the conclusion that genocide is being committed. I am willing, because I happen to know Mr. Dugard personally and I've corresponded with Vaughn Lowe, I've heard their claim, I've read the report, I would say they make a very strong case.

But let's agree, plausible. Now, here's a question. If somebody qualifies for an Olympic team, let's say a regional person qualifies for an Olympic team, it doesn't mean they're going to be on the Olympic team. It doesn't mean they're going to win a gold medal, a silver medal, or a bronze medal. But they can swim.

But let's agree, plausible. Now, here's a question. If somebody qualifies for an Olympic team, let's say a regional person qualifies for an Olympic team, it doesn't mean they're going to be on the Olympic team. It doesn't mean they're going to win a gold medal, a silver medal, or a bronze medal. But they can swim.

But let's agree, plausible. Now, here's a question. If somebody qualifies for an Olympic team, let's say a regional person qualifies for an Olympic team, it doesn't mean they're going to be on the Olympic team. It doesn't mean they're going to win a gold medal, a silver medal, or a bronze medal. But they can swim.