Norman Taylor

But at the time I thought it did because you got PTSD, you have a drink,

It's gone.

But the problem is you stop drinking, it comes back.

But what I had developed was alcohol-induced psychosis.

So I would drink to get rid of the PTSD, but then I'd get psychosis.

So I'd stop drinking and, you know, you then got PTSD.

So I was stuck between a rock and a hard place no matter what I did, whether I drank or whether I didn't.

So it was a very, very long journey for me to get where I am today.

I really wouldn't know where to start.

In terms of – because don't forget, we have to look at the risk in every single war that we've been involved with, whether that's Afghanistan, whether that's Iraq, whether that's Bosnia.

We have to look at that.

So there's quite some –

you know, sort of frightening stats that you have to look at.

But in terms of where the services might have done something that I thought, well, hang on, I'm not sure about that.

It was before my time, but I'm aware of some of the history and it did give me food for thought sometimes.

And that was the arms to Iraq.

uh scandal um involving well involved both mi5 and mi6 and i think that could have been dealt with much quicker than it was and the services could have put their hands up much quicker than they did and that's the bit where i'm a

a little bit, I'm embarrassed, you know, to say that, you know, because I can't stress enough that, as I said at the beginning, if you saw MI6 and you saw MI5, you'd be proud to be British and something like that.

Yeah, it puts a stain on it.

And what it was, was they thought, they asked a UK company to provide intelligence, an individual at that company to provide intelligence.