Norman Taylor

So I'm still bound by it because you're doing work, but you're more under an NDA there than you are the official secret service.

But because I'd worked for government departments, you're under that by default.

No.

We have this thing where history, you know, the United Kingdom acquired this country, that ruled this country, ruled that country, et cetera, et cetera.

But if you look back in history, we weren't the first to do it.

And everybody's got their history.

It isn't that, you know, it's a corrupt state.

It's all down to certain ideologies and certain things have been pushed that steers people to believe that.

But it's not true.

And quite often, I wish I could open the door and say, go and have a look at that operation.

Go and have a walk around GCHQ.

go and have a walk around MI6, go and have a walk around the police counter-terrorism, go and have a walk around MI5, then come back to me and tell me that you think the government are corrupt.

Now, I'm not saying that there's not corrupt individuals within any government, and I'm not just talking about the UK.

Of course there is, you know.

But it's the same with the police.

When something happens and it's a police officer involved, people don't detach themselves

themselves from it and say oh look it's just that individual we tarnish the whole organization and that's something we have to stop doing we have to accept you know one of the things that took me a long time to accept is it's not the whole organization it's just certain individuals within that organization we've got good and bad people in everything

In every industry, in every sector.

But what we've got to try to start doing is separating the bad people from the organisations.

If you run a government like a business, if you've got a successful business, if you look after your staff first,