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Very much cashing in, right, at that point.

Lanre Bakare, welcome back to Today in Focus.

So you are the Guardian's Arts and Culture Correspondent.

So first of all, can you try to explain just how huge Michael Jackson was at his peak?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's worth reminding the kids that I think every party that you ever had with your cousins, after Thriller came out, for about 10 years, you'd all be playing and recreating Thriller.

Well, what did he mean to you?

I mean, we're both children of the 80s.

We both, I guess, have pretty strong and somewhat fond memories of Michael Jackson.

But for you personally, Lanre, what did Michael Jackson mean in your life?

That little Michael Jackson with that just adult range, just...

Owen, your piece opens with a really shocking detail that I just still can't wrap my head around about the story of Jordan Chandler, who in 1993 was the first boy to publicly accuse Michael Jackson of sexually abusing him.

What happened and how was it dealt with at the time?

So people who are a bit more vulnerable, which is in the grooming playbook, so to speak.

He also settled out of court for $25 million with the Chandler family.

It's sort of mind-boggling reading that stuff back as an adult.

I mean, there was this total suspension of belief, I guess.

I mean, looking back at it now.

And of course, there were then other accusations.