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That's one-year-old Industry Americus. Indy's three older siblings are home with neighbors in Pennsylvania. Simone and her husband Malcolm are expecting a fifth child this year, and she's said that she's willing to die in childbirth to have as many kids as possible.

That's one-year-old Industry Americus. Indy's three older siblings are home with neighbors in Pennsylvania. Simone and her husband Malcolm are expecting a fifth child this year, and she's said that she's willing to die in childbirth to have as many kids as possible.

The Collinses have made themselves available for profiles in pretty much every major news outlet you can think of.

The Collinses have made themselves available for profiles in pretty much every major news outlet you can think of.

The Collinses have made themselves available for profiles in pretty much every major news outlet you can think of.

Simone and her husband are big fans of Elon Musk. He's famous, he's got 13 kids, and he also tends to talk about falling birth rates in catastrophic terms.

Simone and her husband are big fans of Elon Musk. He's famous, he's got 13 kids, and he also tends to talk about falling birth rates in catastrophic terms.

Simone and her husband are big fans of Elon Musk. He's famous, he's got 13 kids, and he also tends to talk about falling birth rates in catastrophic terms.

That's him on Fox News recently. Musk and the Collinses are seen as members of the tech camp of pronatalist advocacy. Venture capitalism, technology like IVF and AI are key parts of their recipe for maximizing human potential via more babies. The Collinses are also very interested in genetic engineering.

That's him on Fox News recently. Musk and the Collinses are seen as members of the tech camp of pronatalist advocacy. Venture capitalism, technology like IVF and AI are key parts of their recipe for maximizing human potential via more babies. The Collinses are also very interested in genetic engineering.

That's him on Fox News recently. Musk and the Collinses are seen as members of the tech camp of pronatalist advocacy. Venture capitalism, technology like IVF and AI are key parts of their recipe for maximizing human potential via more babies. The Collinses are also very interested in genetic engineering.

Another pronatalist camp includes the more religiously motivated and believers in strict gender norms. It's referred to as the trads, as in traditional.

Another pronatalist camp includes the more religiously motivated and believers in strict gender norms. It's referred to as the trads, as in traditional.

Another pronatalist camp includes the more religiously motivated and believers in strict gender norms. It's referred to as the trads, as in traditional.

That's Charles Haywood at the First Natal Con a couple years ago. This year, he's behind the scenes as a sponsor. He made his money as a shampoo magnate. Haywood blames birth rate declines on feminism and the overturning of what he sees as natural hierarchies of gender and race.

That's Charles Haywood at the First Natal Con a couple years ago. This year, he's behind the scenes as a sponsor. He made his money as a shampoo magnate. Haywood blames birth rate declines on feminism and the overturning of what he sees as natural hierarchies of gender and race.

That's Charles Haywood at the First Natal Con a couple years ago. This year, he's behind the scenes as a sponsor. He made his money as a shampoo magnate. Haywood blames birth rate declines on feminism and the overturning of what he sees as natural hierarchies of gender and race.

So it may seem like a challenge to square a Charles Haywood with a Simone Collins — she's an entrepreneurial woman with a master's degree from Cambridge — but they share a commitment to spaces like Natalcon because they both believe Modern culture has stopped prioritizing nuclear families and having kids, which is not really how most demographers describe what's happening.

So it may seem like a challenge to square a Charles Haywood with a Simone Collins — she's an entrepreneurial woman with a master's degree from Cambridge — but they share a commitment to spaces like Natalcon because they both believe Modern culture has stopped prioritizing nuclear families and having kids, which is not really how most demographers describe what's happening.

So it may seem like a challenge to square a Charles Haywood with a Simone Collins — she's an entrepreneurial woman with a master's degree from Cambridge — but they share a commitment to spaces like Natalcon because they both believe Modern culture has stopped prioritizing nuclear families and having kids, which is not really how most demographers describe what's happening.