Nufar Gaspar
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first heard Oct 2025
last heard 3 Sep
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But if you have anything to say in defense of leaderboards, I'm here to listen.
Yeah, good.
So I think you love my model of how to use tokens wisely.
But with regards to being token anxious, what I'm seeing in many companies now is that many employees are self-censoring themselves, basically trying to avoid costs.
And even if we look at the same companies that were token maxing, so Meta went from the leaderboard to
sending a memo that constrained the AI usage.
And now the press is calling it token minimizing instead of token maxing.
And Uber caps employees at 1,500.
So even the same companies who are token maxing are now significantly shortening that.
And when employees self-censor, it gets them to feel like every prompt is an ROI conversation.
And that's not something that we want to have.
And I think that this is a very bad era to stay in because I believe that the most expensive token is the one that your best person is afraid to spend.
So this is where I want to direct all of us to be in.
And I call it the token smart era, meaning that you need to spend wisely and not sparingly and understand what creates value and where usage quietly leaks.
That's the entire kind of theme of this episode.
And what I wanted to go by in this era, in this podcast, is to talk about the four elements of what a token actually is, why tokens were not born equal, how to audit your own usage and how to govern or do it better within your company.
And I'm trying to make it relevant to anybody, whether you're the practitioner that needs to
apply some cost engineering playbook and be smart about that, or the executives and admins that need to be proactive and avoid having a difficult conversation with the CFO without a proper response to let's just cut the bill without talking about the business implications, as you just said.
So that's the plan for us today.
So I want to start with introducing you to the token because I feel that even though it's the most used term in AI, not too many people truly understand what it is because that's in the root of every bill, quota, and rate limit with AI in tokens.
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