Odette Youssef

been quite a turn toward illiberalism that, you know, we just haven't seen, I think, in recent decades in the US.

But I think, you know, what Eric Ward said, that this kind of messaging quietly signals who this country is for, really gets at the heart of the harm that happens when we see extremist messaging sort of make its way into

the federal government.

It's super divisive.

And that division, I think, distracts us from coming together on national issues that need to be solved together.

And more immediately, I think it signals that harm done to people

In the outgroup, if you will, the outgroup certainly in this moment being immigrants, you know, harm done to these people that are not being presented as true Americans, that harm will be tolerated, maybe even encouraged.

And so it's really dangerous, I think, to the fabric of the society and also potentially even to people's physical safety.

It's interesting, Aisha, because, you know, the size of the protests, their reach into places across the country, I think it felt like a rare moment of broad consensus. You know, at that time, the Pew Research Center found that two-thirds of U.S. adults supported the Black Lives Matter movement.

It's interesting, Aisha, because, you know, the size of the protests, their reach into places across the country, I think it felt like a rare moment of broad consensus. You know, at that time, the Pew Research Center found that two-thirds of U.S. adults supported the Black Lives Matter movement.

It's interesting, Aisha, because, you know, the size of the protests, their reach into places across the country, I think it felt like a rare moment of broad consensus. You know, at that time, the Pew Research Center found that two-thirds of U.S. adults supported the Black Lives Matter movement.

It found that almost 70 percent of Americans were talking about racial justice issues with their families and friends. And 70% were recognizing general tensions between police and Black Americans. And so it felt like these difficult issues were finally out in the open and people were ready to discuss change to address them.

It found that almost 70 percent of Americans were talking about racial justice issues with their families and friends. And 70% were recognizing general tensions between police and Black Americans. And so it felt like these difficult issues were finally out in the open and people were ready to discuss change to address them.

It found that almost 70 percent of Americans were talking about racial justice issues with their families and friends. And 70% were recognizing general tensions between police and Black Americans. And so it felt like these difficult issues were finally out in the open and people were ready to discuss change to address them.

But what I think what we didn't see clearly at that time was that deeply radicalizing forces were also organizing. And in many respects, I think it's fair to say that they won.

But what I think what we didn't see clearly at that time was that deeply radicalizing forces were also organizing. And in many respects, I think it's fair to say that they won.

But what I think what we didn't see clearly at that time was that deeply radicalizing forces were also organizing. And in many respects, I think it's fair to say that they won.

Well, the pandemic. You know, I was in Minneapolis about six months ago meeting with a local named Kimmy Hull. One morning, Kimmy and I were at what's now called George Floyd Square where he died. And she said she thinks the movement wouldn't have launched if the country hadn't been sheltering in place.

Well, the pandemic. You know, I was in Minneapolis about six months ago meeting with a local named Kimmy Hull. One morning, Kimmy and I were at what's now called George Floyd Square where he died. And she said she thinks the movement wouldn't have launched if the country hadn't been sheltering in place.

Well, the pandemic. You know, I was in Minneapolis about six months ago meeting with a local named Kimmy Hull. One morning, Kimmy and I were at what's now called George Floyd Square where he died. And she said she thinks the movement wouldn't have launched if the country hadn't been sheltering in place.