Oisin Coghlan

it got up to about 10 or 12, 13,000 or so as a peak in Ireland, but it's mostly been under 10 or under 5,000.

It's like less than 10% of the migrants who come every year as they work in our health services mostly.

And it's roughly comparable to how many Irish people go to Australia every year.

And we don't see an international consternation about Irish people going to Australia.

And yet we are focusing hugely on international protection applicants coming to Ireland.

And there's no evidence that migrants, either international protection applicants or general migrants, have higher crime rates than others.

And in fact, there was a RSI study this week saying they claim welfare less often, if not at most the same, as Irish citizens.

So there's a lot of false information being used to try to stoke division.

There's one simple regulation, because we're not going to ban social media, is to turn off the recommender algorithms, which people like the Hope and Courage Collective, who work with communities to kind of stave off extremism, have been recommending it, because it spirals, you know, it's what gives you toxic information to boys and dieting information to girls so quickly when you join.

It's this death spiral, doom spiral.

I didn't think I'd be putting my hand up in this debate, but we live in a free society.

Everyone has a right, if they can afford it, to go looking for private health care.

But what I don't think is the case is that the state and the taxpayers in the majority don't have to subsidise and fund that.

And the issue here is that the public system, the public health system, is subsidising and facilitating private health care still across the board.

And in this case particularly, the question was whether...

consultants who had contractually agreed.

They'd signed a document to say we will only do public health care.

And then their boss was saying, actually, don't mind that.

We'll do private health care here as well.

The Minister for Health, who's a woman, Helen... Jennifer Carlin.