Oisín Coghlan

But my point about it is that our grains of sand are making a difference.

The EU position has changed.

We're close now to a

a critical mass of EU states wanting to review the trade association agreement with Israel and evoke the human rights clause, which would indeed have a much bigger impact in terms of pressure on Israel.

The OTB is different to that.

The OTB is about the illegally occupied Palestinian territory where Israeli companies shouldn't be allowed to be trading with us.

But that is separate to the broader context.

Yes, it is symbolic.

It's another grain of sand or a big grain of sand on the scales that will help move things forward.

in the UK like and I think that's a pure relatability play to me like he just he looks like one of us absolutely or even Zora Mandami in New York but it's a bit of a double edged sword because that's my point it's very zeitgeisty as to what people think now is relatable and social media in particular is a really double edged sword in terms of people the trolls can go after you as well so I do think and it's also three years to the next election so I don't know how many people are actually paying attention to this yes absolutely

But, and I also do think it's more about, ultimately it has to be more about policy, which is why I understand, policy and strategy, which is why I understand both of Anna and Holly's ways this week.

But I think actually this poll shows we have five pillars, or whatever we want to call them,

now we have Sinn Féin on 21% Fianna Fáil 15% Fine Gael 17% Ain't Two and Independent Ireland together are on 14% and obviously some of the there's also 11% for Independence and some of those are left some of those are right so that block Ain't Two, Independent Ireland and some Independence up there the same as well and if you put together Sock Dems on 10% and they're relatable

To another cohort.

Well, indeed.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But then Stock Dems, Labour and the Greens are on 17.

And if you add people before profit, which I can't see in government, but they could be in supply, confidence in supply, 21 percent, the same as Sinn Féin.

So there's five pillars.