Oli Raison

We've met people who are in their 80s in the Samburu society.

I think one thing I would talk about is just the challenge.

We're in an area of the world where there's a lot of uncertainty.

We can be traveling, we can be trekking up a mountain,

We don't know how long it's going to take.

One journey that we recently took people on, there'd been a lot of rainfall.

That meant there was a lot of growth.

These are forested mountains surrounded by desert.

It's really quite a remarkable part of the world.

But we got to the top of the mountain and we had to really bushwhack our way through with pangas or machetes, as you would probably know them.

And that slows everything down.

We don't know when we're going to get into camp.

There's a lot of uncertainty.

And that creates an opportunity for a lot of coaching moments.

Because I think that in the West, we are overscheduled.

We expect that, okay, well, by this time, I'm going to be in camp.

And by this time, I'm going to have my dinner.

And by this time, and et cetera, et cetera.

And that's just not how things roll necessarily in these rural parts of Africa.

So I think that's an aspect of it.