Oliver Darcy

Basically telling them, like, do whatever you want.

And so I think that's what's strange about this moment is, again, like, it might be damaging to Donald Trump and his administration in the elections, but in this moment, the sunlight's not really resulting in any change of behavior.

It's actually causing them seemingly to take a more aggressive posture.

I saw Stephen Miller the other day

I mean, it seems like he's been emboldened by this.

And it's crazy because someone just lost their life.

And you would hope that there'd be some adults in the room where that at least could resonate with them.

But instead, it's like they have no empathy and they use it to further their political agenda.

I do think, too, when we talk about the media as well bending over for Donald Trump, you know, they are seeking to, like, do business in many cases with someone who's deeply unpopular.

I think because he's wielding power in a very obviously unprecedented but aggressive way, and they still want their deals done, and they still are afraid of him.

But I agree.

Look, if you're the Washington Post, I think there's a craving from audiences to see aggressive coverage that holds them accountable.

If you're the new CBS Evening News anchor, your brand could be like, I'm the guy that's going to carry on the tradition of Edward R. Murrow and call out

This is the network you should tune in if you want unfiltered language and plain language about what's happening in this country.

We're not going to pull punches at all.

I think there'd actually be an appetite for that.

I would bet the ratings might go up.

But instead, you see them capitulating to power, and it's bizarre because it's a bad business move for the news organizations.

But again, you have to look at who owns these news organizations.

David Ellison, the owner of Paramount, is trying to get some deals done, and he doesn't want Donald Trump angry at him.