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Yeah.

Yeah.

Do you believe that? That's when I started talking to the media. Whenever we were going to try, we were trying to stay out of the spotlight. But that was too much. It was too much. I felt that she was trying to get on the stand and claim this position as some widow or trying to take this whole, oh, I knew Bob so well. I'm heartbroken by this. And I felt she was trying to take that.

Do you believe that? That's when I started talking to the media. Whenever we were going to try, we were trying to stay out of the spotlight. But that was too much. It was too much. I felt that she was trying to get on the stand and claim this position as some widow or trying to take this whole, oh, I knew Bob so well. I'm heartbroken by this. And I felt she was trying to take that.

And the reason I started talking to the media is because I was not going to let her take that from our family. Because, no, no, we're heartbroken. You helped cause this to happen. You made this happen, right? It is like she, very few things have angered me more. And it was so hard to be able to see that. And so to her trying, like, your brother already killed my brother, right?

And the reason I started talking to the media is because I was not going to let her take that from our family. Because, no, no, we're heartbroken. You helped cause this to happen. You made this happen, right? It is like she, very few things have angered me more. And it was so hard to be able to see that. And so to her trying, like, your brother already killed my brother, right?

Now you're trying to take our grief away to repair your self-image and to repair your image in society in San Francisco? Absolutely not. We're not doing this.

Now you're trying to take our grief away to repair your self-image and to repair your image in society in San Francisco? Absolutely not. We're not doing this.

It gave him freedom to be more of who he was, right? And so I don't think it changed him. After 10 years of marriage, Bob and Krista split up.

It gave him freedom to be more of who he was, right? And so I don't think it changed him. After 10 years of marriage, Bob and Krista split up.

I mean, that just seems inconceivable. I mean, I think murder is always the last thing you expect.

I mean, that just seems inconceivable. I mean, I think murder is always the last thing you expect.

Constantly, you see him helping somebody else. There was an investment in a hair salon and another investment in a restaurant. These were not investments he expected to get back. And so it was more of, I met this cool person who's doing this cool thing. How can I help them to do that?

Constantly, you see him helping somebody else. There was an investment in a hair salon and another investment in a restaurant. These were not investments he expected to get back. And so it was more of, I met this cool person who's doing this cool thing. How can I help them to do that?

Yeah, well, I know I won't get anything for it, right?

Yeah, well, I know I won't get anything for it, right?

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That is the most... far out story I think I've ever heard in my life.

That is the most... far out story I think I've ever heard in my life.

No. He would tend to be, you know, more outgoing, like when he was on drugs, but he would never be violent. So when you heard that at trial, Absolutely insanity, right? It is the most opposite thing of what Bob was.

No. He would tend to be, you know, more outgoing, like when he was on drugs, but he would never be violent. So when you heard that at trial, Absolutely insanity, right? It is the most opposite thing of what Bob was.

I didn't.

I didn't.

Yeah, absolutely. It was such a relief that they had come to the decision to have justice for Bob. And we think it is justice for Bob.

Yeah, absolutely. It was such a relief that they had come to the decision to have justice for Bob. And we think it is justice for Bob.

Yeah, very, very proud of my brother. And he continually amazed me with things. Oliver Lee was Bob's younger brother by just 18 months.

Yeah, very, very proud of my brother. And he continually amazed me with things. Oliver Lee was Bob's younger brother by just 18 months.

Louis, Missouri. You can imagine, you know, two boys close in age. Growing up in the Midwest, we built a lot of forts in the woods. You know, we did everything together. Their dad, Rick Lee, an engineer, sparked an interest in technology.

Louis, Missouri. You can imagine, you know, two boys close in age. Growing up in the Midwest, we built a lot of forts in the woods. You know, we did everything together. Their dad, Rick Lee, an engineer, sparked an interest in technology.

He saw it as like an investment in us. And so we started messing around with that computer and then we just built from there. And your parents encouraged this because you're explorers. Absolutely. It's like if they take it apart, they'll probably put it back together, right?

He saw it as like an investment in us. And so we started messing around with that computer and then we just built from there. And your parents encouraged this because you're explorers. Absolutely. It's like if they take it apart, they'll probably put it back together, right?

Yeah, it was a wild west of many parts of tech. And he wanted to go solve problems on his own.

Yeah, it was a wild west of many parts of tech. And he wanted to go solve problems on his own.

But instead of monetizing it, he just made it open source code and basically gave it to the world for free because that was the fastest way to be able to create the best good with it.

But instead of monetizing it, he just made it open source code and basically gave it to the world for free because that was the fastest way to be able to create the best good with it.

Amanda Knox, guilty of the murder of her roommate Meredith Kirchner.

Amanda Knox, guilty of the murder of her roommate Meredith Kirchner.

The awful crime here on Via San Antonio would quickly have been forgotten as yet another head-shaking statistic. Sad, but not all that uncommon. Except for the authorities' chilling theory of the murder.

The awful crime here on Via San Antonio would quickly have been forgotten as yet another head-shaking statistic. Sad, but not all that uncommon. Except for the authorities' chilling theory of the murder.

Okay. Thanks, Jane.

Okay. Thanks, Jane.