Olivia Rodrigo

I think when we made that one sonically, I was like, oh yeah, this feels right.

And this feels like the point in time that I'm at.

I think I kind of knew, and Dan and I who made the record with, I think...

I, like, love rock music, and I have such a reverence for rock music, and it's all that I, like, really listen to.

But I think going into it, I felt, like, a little—like, it wasn't—it didn't feel exciting to me or something.

Like, rock in the traditional sense of, like, power chords, like, distortion, blah, blah, blah.

That's not here on this album.

That's not here on this album.

Yeah.

But I think a song like that feels, like, alternative to me without being, like—

I love Rock and Roll by Joan Jett, which is one of my favorite songs.

Love that song.

But like, you know, it was in a more subtle way.

And that was more exciting to me than writing like some like really banger thing, which maybe I love those songs.

Maybe I'll do that later.

But I think like making that song was like, okay, this is the kind of like figured out what I like wanted the sound to be a little bit or like what was going to be different about this record.

It's interesting to hear you talk about that style of rock not being as much of a draw as it was in the prior two albums.

Because obviously there are certain moments on this album that are really living in like the 82 to 85 world.

You're sort of getting the new romantics.

You're getting the cure.