Olivia Rodrigo

It's very, yeah, I found it to be very savvy, like just like very emotionally savvy.

And I think, you know, like obviously as people who cover music extensively and just like, I feel like, you know, you feel like you get to a point where you're like, I've heard every metaphor, I've heard every detail.

And then someone has a turn of phrase and you're like, oh, I didn't hear that one.

So this was, that was a great moment for me.

I think, honestly, the challenge for me was in writing a love song.

Like, I think that was a daunting task for me, someone who was very known for writing breakup songs and being angry and sad.

And people love that.

Yes.

And there obviously is that weird like singer's curse thing where you're like, do people only like me when I'm sad?

You know what I mean?

And so that was, I think that was the challenge is trying to write something about being happy and also making it interesting.

Also, I think it was just like a thing that I wanted to prove to myself that I didn't have to be miserable to write a song that I liked.

Did you used to think that happy songs were like less valid than sad songs?

I mean, when I was a teenager, for sure.

Like when you're a teenager, that's the shit that you listen to because you're so depressed.

You know what I mean?

But I love, I mean, as I get older, I think like writing a beautiful love song.

Some of them, some of my favorite love songs are fucking devastating.

Like Love Song by The Cure is like this, like however far away I was, always love you however long I stay.

kill me that's so sad and so beautiful yeah it was just me trying to write lyrics in a more mature way about love that weren't so black and white you know like you can all of these things can exist at once you can be in love and also feel insecure and you can be in love and also feel depressed and you can you know break up with someone and still like love that like you know what I mean like there's just all of these things can be true at once and I think obviously as a teenager you don't have the