Olivia Rodrigo

But that song meant so much to me because it was about my experience.

But also it just united other people in their own experience of a first heartbreak or something like that.

I guess you didn't mean what you wrote in that song about me.

I think whatever experience people, if it's girlhood, if it's something else, like if whatever they attach, whatever meaning they attach to the song, I would be happy with.

There's one line that jumped out at me on this album because I think on earlier songs and earlier albums, something that comes up here and there is like you encounter someone, you're encountering a guy and he's delivering you a line or a bit.

And then you have this awakening that like,

he's delivered the line or the bit previously, right?

And then that's that moment of like, wait a minute, like that's, that's practice, that's rehearsed.

But then there's a line on this album where you say, all my ex-boyfriends have heard these lines.

You call yourself out.

Right.

But I was like, but to pick up on Joe's question about sort of girlhood is a topic and maturity and how songwriting evolves.

I heard that line and I was like, oh, like this feels like just the tiniest suggestion of leaving some of that other energy behind and saying like, I do it too.

I do it too.

Is that, am I right to pick up on that as like a theme in that song and also maybe broadly speaking on this album?

Yeah.

It's like what we were saying before.

I think like the album hopefully is my most nuanced approach at a relationship.

And like it's, you know, a real relationship where two people like know each other and love each other deeply isn't like, well, you were mean to me that one time.

There's just so much ebb and flow.