Olly Patrick

If it isn't the limiting factor, it may not be the drive to exponential benefit.

Your point, whether it's placebo, right?

And placebo is literally the greatest drug in the world, which is, you know, it doesn't matter if it works or not.

If I believe it works...

If I believe it works, we've got a cushion in our house.

If you believe you can or believe you can't, you're probably right.

In some ways, you know, you will probably use caffeine.

oh yeah you will use gels you will use music music is a performance aid caffeine is a performance aid gels are a performance aid science based training you're running shorts are a performance aid the question is equality and everyone in that race has the opportunity to buy the trainers you're not in the elite race you're in the mainstream race I get the morality question but I think the question Spencer is at the end of it when you look in the mirror and you've run a 259 are you happy that you are a sub 3 marathon runner having used these trainers

when we separate the morality from the physiology.

So to put the morality, which is down to whether you're comfortable, that it's another performance enhancing aid that gives you an advantage, but so does your training, so does your knowledge.

Everything creates advantage.

There is a question mark, which is unproven, that if you suddenly add this sort of high-octane return of energy, what is the biomechanical load of that?

So if you suddenly get me running in effectively a 50 mil step, that changes the position of my pelvis, it changes the position of my knee, it changes the position of my head.

And we've got sort of anecdotal reports of increased load through shins, and some people aren't equipped to handle that load.

From the stack?

From the stack.

But the second time, not so much.

There's the question.

I'm always amazed.

I've run the marathon a couple of times, terribly.