Omar Suleiman

And if you want to manipulate a religious scripture, you could turn any book, any scripture

into a violent scripture if you have a violent aim.

So I think that that's where you find people manipulating versus manipulating religion to justify sick ideologies that are based and thrive in political instability.

Absolutely.

Look, when you talk about a group like ISIS,

Islam has been in Iraq for a very, very long time.

Iraq has been bombed by now five consecutive presidents or four.

It's been bombed into the stone ages.

There is no political infrastructure.

It's devastation and destruction and desperation as a result of that.

Many of the old Saddam loyalists, and Saddam's regime was a secularist regime, are now heads of ISIS, right?

It just moved into that.

When you create that type of chaos, you generate an environment where groups like ISIS are bound to rise out of.

And so Islam did not cause this.

People didn't wake up in Iraq one day and say, hey, let's create a group called ISIS because Islam tells us to.

Iraq was bombed into this place.

And we have to...

Not just free religion from the responsibility, from having to bear the responsibility of much of the hatred and violence, but we have to interrogate the political instability that was caused.

Were we justified?

As Americans, these are taxpayer dollars where we justified with what was done in Iraq.