Oprah Winfrey

I know you'll recognize Internet stars Kim and Penn Holderness. They won the Amazing Race on CBS, and their song parodies have billions of views, including a series about perimenopause. Kim and Penn join us from North Carolina, one of my favorite states. Hi, Kim and Penn. Hi. I hear you call perimenopause the third person in your marriage. How is that?

I know you'll recognize Internet stars Kim and Penn Holderness. They won the Amazing Race on CBS, and their song parodies have billions of views, including a series about perimenopause. Kim and Penn join us from North Carolina, one of my favorite states. Hi, Kim and Penn. Hi. I hear you call perimenopause the third person in your marriage. How is that?

I know you'll recognize Internet stars Kim and Penn Holderness. They won the Amazing Race on CBS, and their song parodies have billions of views, including a series about perimenopause. Kim and Penn join us from North Carolina, one of my favorite states. Hi, Kim and Penn. Hi. I hear you call perimenopause the third person in your marriage. How is that?

What is amazing is how well people responded to it because I guess a lot of guys are like you who are going through it or have been through it with their partners.

What is amazing is how well people responded to it because I guess a lot of guys are like you who are going through it or have been through it with their partners.

What is amazing is how well people responded to it because I guess a lot of guys are like you who are going through it or have been through it with their partners.

I hear you're dealing with a lot of fatigue too, Kim, right?

I hear you're dealing with a lot of fatigue too, Kim, right?

I hear you're dealing with a lot of fatigue too, Kim, right?

Yeah, I know. That was it for me, too. I didn't sleep for two years during the Oprah show. And I thought I was going to lose my mind. Do you have a question for Dr. Malone? Either of you?

Yeah, I know. That was it for me, too. I didn't sleep for two years during the Oprah show. And I thought I was going to lose my mind. Do you have a question for Dr. Malone? Either of you?

Yeah, I know. That was it for me, too. I didn't sleep for two years during the Oprah show. And I thought I was going to lose my mind. Do you have a question for Dr. Malone? Either of you?

Now, suppose she goes to her doctor and says this, and the doctor says, I don't even believe in that, or I don't know about that, or... Well... How do you find a doctor?

Now, suppose she goes to her doctor and says this, and the doctor says, I don't even believe in that, or I don't know about that, or... Well... How do you find a doctor?

Now, suppose she goes to her doctor and says this, and the doctor says, I don't even believe in that, or I don't know about that, or... Well... How do you find a doctor?

Thank you so much for that information. That feels solid. Penn, any advice you have for men, Penn? Because we keep hearing guys have no idea how to handle this.

Thank you so much for that information. That feels solid. Penn, any advice you have for men, Penn? Because we keep hearing guys have no idea how to handle this.

Thank you so much for that information. That feels solid. Penn, any advice you have for men, Penn? Because we keep hearing guys have no idea how to handle this.

Thank you so much for joining us, Kim and Pin. Thank you so much. Thank you, guys. Trisha joins us from Woodland Hills, California, and her daughter Layla is Zooming in from her college campus in New Orleans. Trisha and Layla, tell us what's going on with you guys.

Thank you so much for joining us, Kim and Pin. Thank you so much. Thank you, guys. Trisha joins us from Woodland Hills, California, and her daughter Layla is Zooming in from her college campus in New Orleans. Trisha and Layla, tell us what's going on with you guys.