Oprah Winfrey

And so did I. And I saw her face.

I saw her face and I said, that will never happen to me again.

I will never be in a position where I put somebody.

in my space where they're going to be humiliated.

And so I went to the producers and said, that's it.

We're not doing that anymore.

And they go, what do you mean?

I go, do you know how hard it was to get that guy?

I know, but we're not doing that anymore.

And then we had just recently done members of the Ku Klux Klan.

And I went, well, we're not doing that anymore.

And they're like, well, what are we going to do?

And I literally sat down and said to them, what we're going to do is we're going to

We're going to allow the audience to tell us what they want.

So I started talking to the audience after every show.

That became my focus group for like a half an hour, 45 minutes after every show.

And we're going to be guided by where they are.

We're going to meet them where they are.

And women started saying in the audience, you know, I've done everything right.

did the schooling, I went to the, I got the degree, I got the husband, I got the, but I feel like there's something more.