Ore Oduba

But your team got in touch.

And the reason I snubbed you, I snubbed the team because there was so much that I had to do to get to the point of feeling like I was ready to speak about what had been my entire life, a thread for 30 years through my entire life.

But I guess I always had this difficult relationship with being in the public eye, but I had no relationship with being an addict in the public eye.

So coming on what I think, you know, you and your team, you have created an incredible space.

It really is like the leading space in addiction.

You are an incredible voice and you're an incredible advocate and people feel safe coming to you and everything that comes out of your, your podcasts is so resonant.

I was like, I don't know where I fit in that yet.

I just need to find the place that I can blurt it out.

And then the intention is after doing that interview, and I eventually did it with Paul Brunson on their Need to Talk podcast, I was going to do one or two, and then I was going to hide in a bunker for six months, never to be seen.

And then hope that the conversation around...

adult explicit imagery and content would change.

And here we are kind of approaching nine months later, and I am still gratefully talking about it because the problem is so great.

It's so uncovered and undiscussed, but the harm is ripping through us societally.

And I realized I picked up a baton.

And I was like, I think I need to run with this because it doesn't stop until we really get to the root of the problem.

Well, kind of by default and not design, I guess I've become a bit of a voice on the harms of...

The world of pornography and adult explicit material.

Last November, I publicly spoke for the first time about having had an addiction to pornography for 30 years, having been introduced to it at the age of nine.

It was the most terrifying chapter of my life.

And I had already by that point been through a lot from two immediate family bereavements, divorce.