Owen Gregorian

That's all.

She is, but that may be intentional.

Okay.

And also American Debunk is on the stream.

So I don't know if he has something he wants to say.

This is Owen Gregorian.

I'm still in the background, but you'll hear me from time to time.

I'll talk more later.

But we have Joel Pollack on.

So I think we're going to turn the stream over to him at this point to lead us in the discussion for a while.

Sure.

Well, the Find People hoax was certainly an interesting episode.

I think to me it was, you know, the setup of it is you also have to think about the context being that

Antifa had been having these counter protests and they would show up wherever the Proud Boys were and they would have all these conflicts in places like Seattle and Portland.

And then whenever there would be something that looked like it was a right-leaning rally sort of thing, then Antifa would show up and cause trouble.

And I think they had been trained and still to this day, I think, are operating this way where...

they try to cause violence to happen.

And I think they're trained specifically to say, we're not going to kill anybody because that would turn everybody against us, but we're going to cause some violence and provoke people as much as possible to try and get them to overreact and try and get them to maybe fire back at us or do something that is something we can film.

So that we can then make a big deal out of that in the media and only show them the edited clip of the reaction and not all the provocation that led up to it.

And I think that had a number of effects.