Owen Gregorian

And I think since then, there's been lots of revelations that that was a PSYOP and a lot of what you think happened was very different than what actually happened.

But at the time, I think the media, that changed the whole media landscape because I think up until that point,

You know, if presidents had affairs or if they had some controversial secret things, usually the media would just not talk about it and they would be mainly supportive of the president.

But this experience with Nixon taught them, hey, we have a lot more power than this.

If we talk about things in a certain way, we can actually take down a sitting president.

And I really saw this fine people hoax and a lot of the hoaxes as the same sort of psyop as Watergate, where the media was saying if we keep talking about this and if we put our bias on it and our spin on it and we keep ratcheting it and we keep talking about how the walls are closing in and this is going to happen and maybe Trump's cabinet is going to have to resign or Trump will have to resign or we can impeach him over this.

then they think they get high on this power.

And I think that's how the media has been operating throughout Trump's presidency.

But I think the fine people hoax was a huge example of that.

And I also think it's an example where Scott had a lot of influence.

And Joel and Steve Cortez, you had Scott coming out saying, we need to call out these hoaxes.

And you were recommending that the Trump administration call out the hoaxes.

And you said there should be a website where we do this.

And then American Debunk came out with a website, just like you asked him to, to say, here's a consolidated place where you can go see what actually happened and why this is a hoax and explain it all and pull together all the different clips and things.

and so it happened independently at that point and then later on the white house adopted that they they came out with their own website and now i think this term trump actually is having like a hoax website and he's changing plaques to reflect what he think reality is and he's calling out all the lies and all the distortions in the media so i think you had a direct impact on that scott i don't think that would have happened without you having your hoax list and talking about this being so important

and really putting things in the right context to explain it to people.

Well, right now the same sort of thing is happening with this ICE agent shooting.

CNN is coming out and trying to say you shouldn't even consider the ICE agent, you shouldn't presume them innocent.

Jake Tapper is doing his Tapper face and trying to argue that, again, you shouldn't even presume them innocent.

And I think they're trying to convince the DA in Minnesota to charge him.