Owen Gregorian

And I guess, Scott, that that was my question for you almost is, do you think that some of the some of the people looking at this stuff, they know about that evidence and they and they just sort of block it out?

Or is it more of this emotional barrier where they say it just sort of doesn't matter?

Well, so wait, I didn't catch Owen's take, I was signing on and pressing buttons.

What was Owen's take?

It's the city.

I do the exact same thing.

It sits too closely together in my brain, and they just keep switching places with each other.

They shouldn't be allowed to do that.

Pretty much.

And what's been amazing to me, though, so I actually went there.

I went down to the memorial and I was at the, you know, they're placing flowers and I wasn't out there when they had the barricades and they were setting up this sort of autonomous zone like they did in Seattle back in the Summer of Love.

And

had taken that the police had actually taken that down at that point but what's amazing is that when you when you talk to the people there they're not even aware that the other movie exists and i think this is something that you've talked about a lot where when you talk to you know conservatives or you know sort of people in the middle they're sort of aware of the two sides they're aware of the two arguments and

In many cases, if you're better at it, if you're really involved, you can usually explain what the other side thinks as well.

But when you talk to these guys, there is no other movie.

And what they seem to find, and I see this with like a lot of MSNBC hosts, they'll sit there, Chris Hayes will sit there and say, why is it that these conservatives, these Trump supporters, why is it that they're so evil?

Why is it that they...

that they can't get on board with the things that we believe, which are obviously the true and right things, because we know that progressivism is the truth.

So they spend all their time without any theory of mind that anyone could possibly have a different look on the situation.

Whereas you see people that are on, I don't even know what you call it, more independent thinkers, I guess you would say.