Owen Gregorian

He had that call to adventure when he left to come to California, and he's talked about that as a way of managing energy, but just kind of getting out of his small town, having his sort of misadventures, I guess, in his corporate life, and how that kind of spawned the whole Dilbert thing.

And then that was obviously a huge part of his life for a very long time.

And then he sort of probably accidentally got into politics with Trump

You know, I don't I don't think when he wrote that article, he thought it was going to have anywhere near the impact that it did.

But it kind of forced him public about that in a way he probably didn't even intend.

I don't even know if he was a Trump supporter at that point.

I think he was just calling calling it how he saw it.

But then the way our political field is so polarized, it was almost like he didn't have a choice.

He'd either have to recant, which he wasn't going to do, or he had to just embrace it.

And so he embraced it.

And I think as a person who did watch him back from the Periscope days, he really did, I think, change a lot of his views or evolve as we watched.

And

early on, it was kind of like every conspiracy theory that would come up in the news, he'd be like, oh, no, that's not that.

That's not real.

He would always be poo-pooing it and saying, that's not a thing.

And later on, he was kind of the opposite.

He was like, you know what?

I think this is all real.

And never the full everything, but he kind of, I think at least at one point, commented even on the Joe Rogan thing when he said sort of the same thing, where he's like, at this point, I might even

believe we didn't go to the moon like i don't know um and uh so it was just amazing to watch as he changed and um certainly the cancellation i think had a big impact on him but he bounced back very quickly i remember him talking about that day saying i feel fine um and so he certainly took it in stride and but i i think it was a traumatic experience to an extent and um