Owen Hanson

Well, some people think, you know, I can appeal, I can this, I can that.

You and I both know.

It's not happening.

No, but I'm saying initially you've got that hope, but after a few years, you see enough guys that have done 30 years.

Yeah, I was already five years in.

Yeah, you're like, yeah.

The hope's gone.

The only people I see leaving is cooperation.

And I remember- So you had to- My lawyer.

You had to weigh the respect of your fellow scumbag teammates against not doing the remainder of 21 years.

And you went and it was immediately-

Yeah, listen, everybody, almost, not everybody.

95%.

95% of everybody would have already told, and probably everybody in your case already has told.

Yeah.

Well, cartels lawyers are bringing me this.

It's funny because I actually have to tell that story.

Remember about the guy, the Mexican Tony Soprano that I was locked up with this guy.

Look, it was like a Mexican looked like Mexican Tony Soprano.

Yeah, he was actually and he'd gotten like 30 years or life real quick.