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I was surprised they got as far as they did.

I mean, I'm glad that the Trump administration has been

reversing a lot of that but i think um would have it in like science classes and math classes and stuff where it had nothing to do with that like it wasn't even a relevant topic and they would just introduce this stuff in there and say okay you've got to have this in every single class

I would also say that in many cases,

a lot of ugly things were fixed by technology or by new innovation.

Like, you know, I know it was a tough transition probably for the South at the time because they were in this agricultural mode and they kind of depended on slave labor essentially to make it work.

And I think that's really what it came down to.

I'm guessing they didn't say, you know what, we really want to have some slaves just because we like having slaves.

No, they needed somebody to pick the crops and to do the, whatever jobs they needed to do.

And that was the only way they could do it, you know, affordably, at least within that context.

And, but then, you know, now we have all sorts of appliances that have eliminated a lot of the household labor and we have machines that can do the farming and we have,

know unfortunately a lot of illegal immigrants that are doing the farming but um you know there are alternatives now and i think that's one thing i think we need to recognize is that our our innovation skill has brought about a lot of great human rights or great benefits to people and done away with a lot of these ugly things in the past um just by enabling that through technology through either machines or um you know even just different business models

like industrialization itself just gave people another way to make money and other type of business they could have.

So it wasn't just all farming.

And so I think, you know, that's to me, that's a big shift over the course of our, of our history.

Well, so in terms of these deaths, I think at least some of them are not.

you know, a conspiracy.

I think that first case that he talked about, I read it, you know, I saw the stories on that.

And I think that was the person who shot him had some kind of grievance with the university or with that person or something.

And so I think there are explanations for some of these things.