Oz Pearlman
Appearances
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Parks, he didn't write anything. He didn't say anything. He didn't do anything. He didn't whisper.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Well, now at least I understand it. I like the way Ice came into this thinking we're going to get this guy.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I'll leave that in the back. That's a hanging thread.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
And the best trick is I made Flip disappear in the middle.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Best way to find out where I'm going to be is my
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
socials it looks like Oz so everybody blame my parents Israeli name but it looks like Oz so it's at O-Z the mentalist but it's O so it sounds like somebody owes you money at O's the mentalist it's you know Instagram Twitter TikTok Facebook everything but typically you're going to see me a lot on TV I have a lot of things coming up a lot of sports teams I do a lot of stuff with CNBC so finance Nabisco Nabisco yeah all the big corporate companies come on corporate money and then yeah you know what just working on a bunch of new fun things
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I got a book coming out at the end of the year. Yes, and the book is coming out at the end of the year. The book is going to be, the book is not, I'm not going to teach you to do this. Oh, damn it. That's what I was about to ask. 49th Law of Power? Yeah.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
So honestly, it's a lens of, here's the key is, you can see what I do, how to read people more effectively, but it's for the sake of entertainment. But what if you could take some of these skills, right, these principles of mentalism, apply them to your everyday life, you know, in relationships, at work. Like knowing when's the right time to go to your boss and ask for that raise.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
What's your right moment? How do you remember things better? How can you get inside other people's heads? It's going to be better for negotiations. Know if people are lying to you. Just tips and tricks that are very useful.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I hope not. Publisher needs to go get big. Jesus. I'm buying that book.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Flip, look at me. Think you're Social Security? ATM? No, I'm telling you.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Yeah, with Kenny.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I like to run and run like marathons, ultra marathons. I was out running. Right before that was going on, I was in Pittsburgh because they were playing the Steelers. I was running 20 miles, and at mile 18, I figured out how I was going to finish that trick because I didn't know how to end it. I didn't know how it would end at the end. It came to me, and it was an hour later.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
We did that for Josh Allen. So sometimes, man, serendipitous.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I've heard varying counts on that one, but he didn't even blame the tiger. Because I guess if the tigers, again, I don't want to misspeak here, but those tigers have certain rules where you can't do certain things. Like chimpanzees. You know chimpanzees, if they see you feed another chimp and not them, they'll tear you to shreds. I did not know that. Yeah, they will.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
There's big things where food, you can't bring food in with chimps. And those chimps are so strong, they can rip you limb from limb.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
You ever see that person who got their face ripped off? Horrific. So with the tigers, I think there's certain things where they don't think they're biting you. Cause think a tiger that big, if they even play bite you, like my dog bites me, he's 10 pounds, nothing. A tiger play bites you, you're dead.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
So my understanding is something happened that I don't know what it was, but it was like some sort of thing that was a cardinal rule that you don't do. And he didn't know, like he knows how to deal with tigers, but something happened where he didn't blame him. Like he did something wrong where he had a smell on him or something weird. And that they found out afterwards. And that was pretty,
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
What a reference, though, Joe. Siegfried and Roy. Throwback.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Yo, I believe that 100%. You know, crows remember faces. Yeah. They did a thing with crows where like if one of these people like- You throw something at them. Yeah, they remember you. They're going to shit right on your head.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Yo, they have a language. They're very smart.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
We do trivia with my kids, and this is here. Make this podcast entertaining and educational. Do you know what a group of crows is called?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
A group of crows called a murder. Yeah.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Gotta play murder with the blacks. Yo, it's that bullshit. No, no, no.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I don't think... I mean, I think that on a deeper level, but not like the mentalism thing, because the mentalism thing is really... It's a set of skills. So it's really... It's kind of like...
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
psychology influencing people, there's this... It's really... If you think about a chef, you know how a chef has... Let's say you got chicken, you got fish, you got steak, you got all these ingredients, I got sauces. I can make all these recipes. So when I come up with my stuff, I have different ways to do certain things, and then it's kind of like jazz, kind of like that chop show.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
You give me this, you give me that, I'm going to whip up a recipe. So right now, I don't always know what's going to happen when I walked in this room, but I kind of started leaning into things that would work, and things that didn't work, I moved away from. So it's kind of like... it's really true like playing jazz.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I didn't come in here, you saw me walk in, you're like, how's this guy gonna pull this off? We're in a living room, how could you do this? There's no setup, there's no staging. For my bigger show, it's a little more of a production. But I think the mentalism is something that's a series of steps that you can learn to do. That's kind of what the whole book's all about.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
That's more like a spiritual question, but I think there's definitely some energy and something to do with the planet, and I don't know how to tap into that. I mean, what do you think of ayahuasca? Have you done that?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Oh, you mentioned it to me, so I've heard wild stories from people.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
The best, the way you see how good you get at this is that people don't know when you're wrong. So that's the real art is that, what if I told you that in this room, I had more than one thing wrong, but you didn't ever see it because I just pivoted around or moved around. It's kind of like, just like duck and wings, like Floyd Mayweather. Doesn't get hit, but does he make mistakes? Sure.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
So in my show, there's things that didn't go right. Like yesterday I was on TV and I guarantee you something went very wrong, but I worked around it so quickly, you didn't notice. I noticed, you didn't.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Getting stuff like wrong, like just boom, like you just guess something totally wrong and then you're stuck is very difficult on live TV because if there's no more time to get out of it, then you're stuck in a corner and the worst thing is if the last thing is wrong. But it happens.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Yeah, but I didn't, I didn't just say, I'm going to guess the name. I figured out a letter and then I got, it came together.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
If you notice that it's not a, it's actually truly like some of you will just tell me right now what it is. I'm like, I don't know it yet. Like I got to figure it out. It's like a puzzle. It's a puzzle.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
It's wheel of fortune. Only I can put together letters before Vanna White turns them around.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Hold on, hold on. Last name. Sounds the same. It's like a rhyming. Isn't it? Dovey? Dovey? Dove? Don't tell me that's it, son.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Ever, yes, please. Unless we need some information. The only other place you're going to see me is Flip in his nightmares. Leave me alone.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I'm going around the circle. High fives down the line.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Olds Perlman in the building. Thank you, Joe Budden. Thank you, gentlemen.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
That is a good question. Magician. A liar. No. I mean, it's a mentalist on paper. You ask my wife, I'm just mental. But here's what everybody knows, what a magician is, right? Everybody knows in their mind, you think a magician, you think card tricks, you might think David Blaine, David Copperfield. You started with the card tricks. I love card tricks. I love card tricks.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Trust me, I love card tricks. That was a start. The evolution is now I can do the tricks, but I don't need any props. It's just in your mind. So it's magic of the mind. It's kind of like the next level. You've seen a lot of magicians. You haven't seen me. So it's kind of where I no longer need props. You could drop me off in front of 5,000 people. It's just me. The show is me.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I don't need bunnies. I don't need boxes. No sleight of hand and that type of stuff? I could still do it. Don't get me wrong. But it's not what I do anymore. Got it.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I have a few publicists. I guess so.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Nice. Jets fan? No. Giants, but I watched it. Everyone's like, why didn't you tell us we were having Aaron Rodgers if you're that good? Yeah.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
same thing happened to him yo you should see how much hate i got for the for the jets one oh no i mean when when rogers went down in the first play you know the first the first drive and everyone's like predict that oh it's the mentalist what the hell yeah you know but that looks real the reactions look real oh it's all real i feel like this gift has to come from a dark place
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Yeah, I got lucky on my timelines. 1600s. I wouldn't be here with you. I would have been first show and burned at the stake. So it's a gift, but I would describe it as, you know, you have a gift for music, right? And so certain people have that, certain people don't. They could train their whole life.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
It's either in you, whether you said God gave it to you or came in you somehow, but you can get better at it. So I think anyone could do what I'm doing in a way. They could learn some of the mentalism stuff, but will they get good enough at it to do it at this level? I mean, that's probably a no. Otherwise, there'd be more people. But it's kind of a trained talent.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
It's an innate talent that you could train. It's kind of like sports. You think everybody, Aaron Rodgers, you think that's all talent? No, that's hard work. That's like decades and decades of working your butt off, outworking the person next to you. I outwork my competition at what I do. That's a fact. At what age did you first realize, hey, I got something?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I see the belt shake a little. I'm like, that belt's about to come off. And that's one with a buckle, too. That's no good. No good. If my dad hears this, you are not beating me. Not beating me. A couple of good slaps. I think back in the day, a couple of good slaps set you straight. Put the fear of God in me. Things have changed now. Oh, my Lord.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
So from when you were, let's just say, 10, 12 years old. So I have really good intuition. I'll tell you a really unusual story that I can't explain. But my mom, I have twin sisters that are older than me, fraternal. And then when I was a kid, this is a real weird story. I always kept having to make believe like an imaginary friend. I said, I have a twin.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I have a twin because I was so obsessed with them having twins. And then when I was 12, my mom told me, you did have a twin who died at birth. And it's a true story. She never told me. They know how to tell me that I was a twin also. And I was born in Israel. It was during a war in Lebanon. And it was kind of all the doctors were in a different location. It was, you know, at birth, the twin died.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
And it was this weird thing where I'm like, I always knew that. And it freaked me out. And until she told me, it never clicked. And so I always had very good intuition. I'm not psychic. I don't believe that I'm psychic. It's not supernatural. But there's intuitive things that I don't care... where you are spiritually, you've had experiences where you're like, how did I know that?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Everyone knows that, but we always say, nah, that wasn't real. But if you can tap into that, there's instinct. So a lot of the time when I'm on TV and you see things and people go, it's fake, I love when haters go, it's fake in comments. That's the best compliment you can give me. Like, have you seen the Joe Burrow clip? Yes. Joe Burrow clip's probably the most popular. Have you seen that one?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I haven't. Here, should I tell you real quick? Sure. Yeah, yeah, tell them. I'm at the Bengals facility. I go in there with ESPN. Shout out to my man, Adam Schefter. And we go in there. They tell us right off the bat, Joe Burrow's not going to be involved. He's shy. He's a good dude, but he's shy. It's not his fault. And he goes, he doesn't really want to be involved.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
And they go, don't even call on him. Nothing. I go in there. Let me do what I do. I get in there and I warm them up. I start freaking out. I'm in the team. He's a team leader. So I get them fired up. Should we get Joe in here? They go, yeah, yeah. And Joe stands up. I have not spoken a word to Joe on the lives of my kids and my wife. And Adam Schefter went on air and told everybody.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Pat McAfee's like, did you ever talk to him before? Dude, he didn't talk. They didn't even say he could use him in the show. I've never talked to this man a word in my life before I tell him to stand up. And I say, look around this room. All my eligible receivers stand up.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Everyone stand up. You know, full depth chart. I say, look at the room, look at me. I write down, I'm huge, and I show the camera, throw the ball anywhere you want. Bam, first person he throws to, nailed it. Everyone's like, you know, did he get lucky? I go, double or nothing. Same thing, look at it, throws it to another guy, nailed it. Third time, he fakes to Jamar.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
So Jamar, and then he throws to another guy. Boom, exactly the play I call. He goes nuts, and you see like Joe Burrow who doesn't react, like, watch the video later. Yeah.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
So when you ask me, that is something that I waited two years to do, that I was figuring out how I would do it, what he would do, what would happen, how do you, you know when you walk in a maze, what makes you turn left, what makes you turn right? I know if you're gonna turn right, I know if you were about to turn left, we're gonna turn right and then decide to go left at the end.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I was in his head more than he was.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
It sounds like it would be a hindrance, really. Not enough, let me tell you. Married 12 years, my powers are only for good now. So yeah, unfortunately, these skills are wasted. You know what I was? In college, it didn't help me. It helped all my friends because I was the ultimate wingman. They're like, let's get you over here. Yeah, yeah, girls, come on over. I line them up.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Then I move out of the way. My boys are like, yo, that's my guy right there. And then they go in for the kill. It's better than your thumb.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Back in my day. At first, they would be nice about it. They're like, I'll buy you a beer. Then they're like, dude, just come do tricks for these girls. I'm like, what is this?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Sure. But it's really one of those games where there's not much competition in this because there's so few of us and there's so much demand. And the more people do this, like it's bringing awareness. If you were to talk to people two, three years ago, I think a lot of people in this country would be like, what's a mentalist?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
And now because of all the sports clips and all these things, it's hit like that level of you're hearing about it more, you know it, and it's kind of defined a genre, right?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Rising tides lift all ships. I got a lot of buddies who were kind of me five, ten years ago, and they're getting a lot of these things because people hear about them. They call me. They can't afford me. They're like, let's take that. I can only be one place at a time. Something fell. I did that with my mind. Sorry. Yo, yo, yo.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Don't start shaking up Corey, man. Flip might need a change of underwear right now. Flip's the one who said it was devil magic and he just shit his pants. I didn't say nothing, man.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
He's got a bottle of holy water in his pants ready.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I don't know. That's a great question. Listen, I'm just trying to always innovate. So I keep getting opportunities and I keep trying to do new things. You're kicking ass. Yeah, thank you. Appreciate it. And just kind of do new things that excite me because it's kind of one of those things where, again, great parallel to music. I love comedians. I love musicians. Just things that excite me.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
And I love watching people. who they try and do something where it's not necessarily for other people. You do something that makes you excited. The best songs are always ones you didn't try to make a hit. You just did something that was real and authentic and then people connect with it.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
That's what I keep doing where I like to do things where if I'm excited about what I'm doing in the room, other people love it. Like the football, what's the number one thing I would want to do? Bam, you're... With the quarterback, tell me who he's going to throw the ball to, right? That's a billion-dollar question. So that's what I did. I said, how could I pull that off?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
That's what I'm doing now still.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Yeah, listen. I'm talking about when you were trying to guess lotto numbers. Oh, I was hustling since I was 13 years old. So I started doing this when I was 13. At 14, I walked half a mile from my house in Farmington Hills, Michigan, got a restaurant job where I was this little four foot nothing guy doing card tricks to people that were like, what do you want from me right now?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
And that was the school of hard knocks for me. That's literally how I learned to approach people, win people over and start kind of getting inside their head. Do you play the lottery? So I can't win the lottery, true story, because what I do has nothing to do with random odds. Does that make sense? No, but it's not. Got it. A psychic could tell you they could know the future. Uh-huh.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
So, like, for example, I'm trying to predict the final four. Yesterday I was on CBS. If you didn't see with Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith, great clip. I don't know if this is going to air. And we sealed right there. It's not my bracket. I told them straight up, I'm not going to get a bracket right. That's impossible. Yeah.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
But to get the final four is not actually as hard as you think. To get the final four is about one in, I think it's 12,000. Because you're probably going to get a sleeper. There's going to be a Cinderella. No, but think about it. It's four out of 64. It's not that tough, right? And most years, most years, it's one or two one seeds, right? So like statistically, I'm telling you, it's not crazy.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
But to get the Elite Eight.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
guess who wins and get the final four is one out of 25 million at least wow so i don't know that i'm gonna get it right i'll tell you right here right now everyone's like are you gonna bet on it hell yeah i'm betting on it i guess kenny smith's pin code i said i'm betting on with your money kenny so uh that's something where it's not a trick that's where i'm hoping i get it right and i might get one or two wrong but like it's kind of like i've guessed superbowls i've gotten four out of five last five years but i don't i didn't get every year i can't it's not psychic
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I don't know the lottery. That's still pretty good numbers. But if you guys were picking the lottery numbers, if you were picking lottery numbers instead of a machine, I bet I could get it.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I mean, there's a couple people in the biz that are... There's so few of us that are a little more, how would I describe it, competitive in that sense.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
But quite frankly, like, I have people... It's probably the same way as... If you think of comedians who kind of run jokes by each other to punch it up, you know how they do that? Like, give me another tag, do this. Features on songs, anything like that. I have other people that are really smart thinkers where we bounce ideas off each other and I just go, what do you think of this? How we do this?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
And we just kind of, I don't ideate. Like when I'm doing a lot of stuff for TV, I got to come up with new things and I have people that I think about it with. I like to run a lot. I go running and I come up with stuff.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Aren't all the best things in life? Yeah, I mean, it looks... That's kind of like the... You know when you see those divers do eight flips and land perfectly, no splash? It looks so easy. You go do that, belly flop. So it looked easy. It looked easy. It looked like it was spur of the moment. It is spur of the moment as far as they're concerned, but for me...
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
There were hundreds of hours put into the preparation into how that would play out. Every possible situation in that room I kind of accounted for.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
You know what? If you go in there, you cheat, they kick you out, and then you're blacklisted, so I've heard from other people. No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I need you for Baccarat. He's like, let's go right now. You know what? Let's try something fun. We'll do a little performance later, but this is what I want Flip to do, because he's freaked out at me, is...
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I could go get a deck of cards. I'm not going to do that. I'm not doing that again. But picture this in your hands. Pretend you're holding a deck of cards. Right? And do some fancy moves. For the listeners, pretend to do fancy moves. Pretend you're shuffling them. See some acting flip.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Yeah, he's got the artificial intelligence hands. This is what would make it interesting. Imagine that, you know what? You just drop a few on the ground. A few just dropped. And you make a little mess. It doesn't matter. Don't mess up the mic. And you dropped a few more. And then we look down at the deck, all these cards, and we count them. And I count the deck.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
52, yes. But when I count... Cheater. He's only got 51. Because Flip put one in his pocket, right? You know what I'm saying? He's got one spot. Hold up, hold up. I want you, watch. Don't tell me that card that's in your pocket. You're imagining it right now. Think in your mind, red, black. Don't say anything. Red, black. Think hearts, diamonds, club, spades. Hearts, diamonds, club, spades.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I'm telling you. You're making me jump in here. Chill out. You'll be honest, right? If I guess this right. Look this way. Ace, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, jack, queen, king. Ace, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, jack, queen, king. You imagined one card. You took it out. You put it in your pocket.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
You didn't really put it in your pocket, but you pretended to. That's what I told you to do. Black card, spades. It was a king of spades, wasn't it? You can't hear him right now, but he's freaking out. It was a king of spades.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
It was a king of spades. Yes, it was a king of spades. Don't hold the reaction in right now.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I didn't give it to you.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
That was a card he picked? From earlier? It was a King of Spades. King of Spades? Where he put it in his pocket? Oh, my God.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Let's say he's imagining a card. Okay. We got an empty chair right there. You see it? The listener can't see, but we got Park right here, right? But right there's an empty chair. Mm-hmm. and you get to fill in that chair, okay? You're going to do it in your mind. I was going to take your phone out and get a photo, but no, no, I don't even want it. I want it in your head.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Somebody's sitting right there, and you know what you're doing? You're on the edge of your seat. You've got questions lined up, and I make this exciting, because normally I would think of somebody alive, but dead or alive, man, woman, whatever, somebody that you have not, hold on, if you look over there, I don't want to put you on the spot.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Do you know what question you would ask this person or you're not even sure yet? I'm not even sure of the question yet. Okay, you're not even sure of the person. All right, hold on.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
You've got to be under pressure. You think you know? His person? Yeah.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Here's what I do. I've got a pad of paper and a marker. Don't say the name that you think it is because you know him. We just met, what, when I walked in the door?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
How many letters are in this person's first name that you think he picked? That I think? That you think he picked. Just tell me the number of letters. Oh, don't say it. See, I just watched his face. No, no. I don't want you to say. I could tell just by looking right there at Ice's face that he was wrong. It's not six letters, is it? No, it's not six letters.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
You got it wrong. Good try, though.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Stick to your day job. No.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
The listener who, you know, the person in the comments going to be like, stayed, scripted, did, before I walked in this room, had we ever spoken a word in our life? No. Is there any, did I tell you who you would have to pick? Did I some way say, you got to go, come on, do this. I'll slip you a hundred. Nothing, right?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
He could have thought of anybody.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
All right. He going to get it wrong. We got this. Look how he's got his arms locked around.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
No, the body language is clear. You got hands crossed and legs crossed. That's a hundred percent a dude vibe. It's a guy. I know you picked a guy. If it was a woman, you got to spread them out a little more. You know what I'm saying? You can't be that tight. You can't be that tight. You got to give them room to breathe.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
That's a guy with the pelvis.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
When you said six to him, you know what I saw? It's too much. Name's shorter. Ice, close your eyes. Mm-hmm.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I don't want to show you. Are your eyes closed?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
My eyes are closed. Folks, don't say this out loud. Don't say this out loud. Everyone in the room get a peek. If you guys saw it, say yeah.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
So everybody knows. Has everyone, all of you say yeah if you just saw what I wrote down?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Ice, ice, open your eyes. Someone sitting right in that chair. It's only in your brain. You're seeing him right there in that chair. Anyone, anyone has said, who's sitting in that chair? Tell us. I don't want to say it, though.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
No, no, you sitting there thinking about me.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Look, Park's all nervous over there now. Look at this guy's ass. I'm not nervous.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Almost 20 years, right? Yeah. Not quite. So, you know, you lose your bank card. They call you up and they go, Parks, how do we know you're really you and not the guy who stole the card? Right? So they say, what's your mom's maiden name? But hear me out. Mom's maiden name, they don't say that anymore because my mom's on Facebook. You want to know who my mom is? She likes every photo.
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Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
She comments that. She's my number one fan. So. That's not a good question. What I like to ask people is ask me a question that nobody would know. Even your boy from 17 years, he's not going to know this. True. Okay? So when I walked in this room, full transparency, I walked up to Parks, I said, come up with a question. Don't say it to anybody. Don't write this question down. Don't nothing.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Think of a question that none of us would know. Yeah. There is no way in the world I could know what that question is, could I?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Yeah, that's a big part. I'm talking about even what question you're going to ask. It's not Mother's Maid name, is it? No. Of course not. If you ask the question out loud, you put it out in the universe, could any of us know the answer? No. Okay, what's the question?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
No more. Don't say anything more. Imagine you're in front of a keyboard. But with computer, different than thumbs is texting. Put your hands like on a keyboard right now in front of you. You got uncrossed your legs.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I want you to imagine that you type the answer. You don't have to actually move your fingers. You just got to think about it. Okay. All right, look what he did. I saw it. See, why did I position him like that? I like how Flip is still shook up from before. You see this? He's like, how did you know he was the king of spades? All right. You tapped your thumb once. Uh-huh. What's on a keyboard?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Everyone take a moment.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Space bar. Space bar-ish. Boom. You did that? In between two words. It's two words, isn't it? The answer is two words.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
What are you going, yeah, two words. How would I have known that? He acted like that was normal. All right, hold on.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Of course it's two words.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
All right. Don't handle your brethren. Which word is more interesting to you? The first one or the second one or you don't care?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
All right. Think of either word. You do it. Okay. You thought of the second word?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
No? Yeah, Parks. Oh, good. I like his movement around. See, he's the opposite. He does the opposite. He looks this way when he looks that way. He's kind of, watch, now we'll figure him out. You're thinking of the first word then. Pick any letter in the first word. Don't tell him which one. All the letters in front of you, boom.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
You grab one out and you take that letter like it's a Scrabble tile and you can hold it in your hand. Can you see that letter?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
So what he did is he looked at the first letter because his eyes went to the left. That's the first letter. We read left to right. But he does the opposite. You didn't think of the first letter, did you? No. See, he did that to look to throw me off. Come on. Who are you talking to right now?
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Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I think you jumped and then you grabbed one. And I thought it was like right near the middle. It wasn't in the middle. It's not the last letter, is it either? No. N. Are you thinking of an N? I am. You are. Holy shit, Parker. See that? That's real talk right there. He just thought of a letter. I knew it was an N. It sounded like an M in my mind.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Is there, on a scale of one to ten, you've seen all the stuff I've done, but this is for you. You called me out. Ten is impossible. Impossible. Where does this fall for you? Eight. How do we make it a ten? Hold on, I got it. I got the second word. Yo, Parks, if you let him make it to 10 right now.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Yeah, you had Nate for the first word. But when I go right there and I wrote this. You better not. You want me to show you or you want me to just say it to you? Say it. Yeah? Yeah. Your boy's here. You see him. You're nine years old. You're high five. Bing chow. How the fuck did you get that?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Joe, you got me good. Joe, have you written down a thing? Have you written down anything? Have you whispered something to somebody? Have you said anything to anyone in this room?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
So... When I walked in here, again, we had like one minute before I came on air, and we mentioned something interesting, which is the fact that yesterday I had somebody think of someone that had passed away, and I shared that with you. It was like it was a weird thing at a show, and they said, this person, are they alive and dead?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I'm like, I think they're dead because it's just their body language. And you told me you had thought of someone a few days ago where you were going through your phone, and they popped up, and it was someone who passed away. Is that right? Yeah. I'm not guessing that person. Nothing to do. You shared that information with me.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
So I don't want people to think later, oh, he told them, so he's using it. But that's something weird which just popped in your head. Something just popped in your head that you weren't expecting. And I said to you, think of someone in your phone that you have not talked to in a while. Literally, you have not talked to this person in a while. Hasn't been the last day or two. Otherwise, too recent.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
You might have just said their name on the podcast. Guy or girl. And I want you to think of that person. And then what if we called them right now? What if we called them right now, put them on air, everyone heard it, and you said to them,
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
a word two words three words like something a phrase something that they would understand and none of us would get like bing chow can you close your eyes close your eyes and think of what you would say to them a man tell you close your eyes your first thought is to pucker up was it tell me it was two words right oh yeah two words open your eyes Notice your body language earlier. Ice was tight.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
You went open. I think it's a female. You were thinking of a female. Am I right?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I'm going to train her. She's like, look at him. Joe, you think of another girl?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Do you call her by her name or a nickname?
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Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Perfect. That's good.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Sorry, dog. That was solid. Solid. Pick a letter. You know what? Same thing I did Parks. Pick a letter. Here's her name or her nickname, God-given name, maybe her... Pick a letter already, bro.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
See that? Yeah. Felt like more than one. Probably more than one. Bitch. The letter. The letter you just thought of. There's more than one of it in the name, isn't there? There's more than one. There's more than one. It's like Michelle with two L's. I saw it. I looked at two of them. Okay, probability. You're doing a probability. I'm not doing probability.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
And you're thinking of me. My name's a weird one. O's. O-Z. Z. You thought of a Z, didn't you? I did think of a Z. And it sounds like the word jazzma. Jazzma. Is that her name? Fuck.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
He was going to call her on the phone. He was going to call her on the phone. And he said he was going to tell her two words. Oh, shit. Yeah, two words. Two words.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Was he going to say a place? That was my first instinct was he was going to tell her a place. Why was it a place? But now he's looking away. No, it's not a place. I'm view. Oh, shit. Do they know Jasmine? Y'all know Jasmine?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I think he knows her through someone. I think it's not a place. He knows it's through someone. Somebody connected. Somebody. You don't talk to her. You know her. You're someone else. Thumbs up. Thumbs up. Two words.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
You go in another room. In another room. You know what? You said it's my pen. This is a pen. I don't care what. I don't want to write it because people can't hear it when we're on there. What if you write this down somewhere or you don't want to write it? I wrote it. No, you're not writing anything. There's nothing here. How could I reveal this? I don't want to show anything visual.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I don't want to just say it. Think of the first word. It's a guy. Somebody who knows the two of you. Two words. Is it a first and last name? Common ones. Yo, Michael Paul.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
God damn. I've never heard Joe Budden this quiet in my whole life.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
My book's coming out this year. My book's coming out later this year.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
What happens when my daughters become teenagers? They're going to be in a lot of trouble. That's true. Yeah, that's a good point.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Mine's always racing. You know, I'm always thinking. But I think that's like anybody. It's kind of ADHD. I'm always thinking stuff. I'm always watching stuff. But it's a switch. It's not like it's with me all the time. I've got to focus to do it. You see what I'm saying? It's kind of, you've got to turn it on.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I'm fine with it.
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Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
It would go down that path a little bit, but no, I still enjoy it.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I try to turn off the mentalist stuff when I'm in day-to-day for the sake of your mind not racing. It's kind of like revving an engine. It takes a lot of focus to do it. Do you ignore it at times?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Yeah, it's good when you're interviewing people or negotiating. Negotiating, yeah. They don't stand a chance. No chance.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I've never done ayahuasca, but I mean, I'm all for it. I've got a bunch of buddies that have done it, and I think psychedelics are a... Have you ever done mushrooms or any psychedelic at all? I've done psychedelics, yeah, for sure. Okay. I've had some of my best ideas on it. I was about to say, does it heighten your existing gift? You want to hear a funny story?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I mean, it's a great story, so... This was in Amsterdam before weed was legal. I'm not a big cannabis guy, but like, I don't know, just not back in the day, high school, different story. I'm in Amsterdam and there's tricks that I would do that were magic tricks, not like this, even though this stuff will freak you out too, but I would do tricks that were designed specifically for stoners.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
back then and I had a car trip easy work easy work but there's ones that really mess with you so in Amsterdam there's a guy I meet them and this is before weed was legal here you know you go to Amsterdam I was on a layover it's a big deal to go to like Bulldog Cafe and smoke and I meet this group where one dude's on mushrooms and he's really tripping hard
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
And I walk up to him and we're doing, I do some card tricks. Everyone's kind of cool. And then I have one for him. That's like the trick. And it's one where I tell somebody, pick a card and they hold it in their hand face up. So you hold it in your hand. Like imagine King of Spades for you right there, Flip. And he's holding the card. And I take the other card and I just wave them. I go slow.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I go, don't blink. And he's holding the card and I wave the cards over. And when I move the card slow, the card shrinks. to one quarter the size, like a mini card, just in his hand. He looked at the card, he looked at me, he looked at the card, he looked at me, he dropped the card, and he ran, he ran out.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
And yo, I left two and a half hours later to go to the airport, they still didn't know where he was. He was black, right?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I wonder if that guy remembers that. Like, I just want to know. I'm hoping he's safe. I'm hoping he's OK. I hope he's seen my success and been like, yo, that guy really messed me up in Amsterdam. But I'll never forget that guy with pupils that were the size of his eyes, looked at me, thought he just saw God, like not even in me. He thought, yeah, I mean, he was he did not even know what hit him.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I think the whole universe deconstructed in front of him.
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Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I still do, but I don't do it anymore. It's like kind of a little sleight of hand thing. I still do though.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Yeah, no, but I think when you're with your family, there's so much input. I have four kids, and so none of them are on the way. God bless. And it's a very busy house.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Don't congratulate me. Congratulate my wife. She does all the hard work.
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Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
There you go. But I think with kids, I try to be present. I'm gone a lot, so when I'm home, I try to really be present and enjoy them. And you can't be thinking when there's kids running around doing this, it's chaos. It's my favorite kind of chaos. And you say you have to focus so much that... And they don't like it. So I'm on TV. They're like, I was on right before the Super Bowl.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Biggest appearance in my life. My kids, I go do magic shows at their school, but I'm not that good at these magic shows. I haven't done them in like 20 years. And these kids eat you alive. They're like, what's in your hand? Let me see your thumb. Oh my God, open your pocket. There's definitely something in your pocket. I'm like, yo, can't get your hand out of my pocket.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I'm like rethinking my career choice after this one show. I came home and one of our friends in the building saw me. He thought somebody died. My face was like, Ashley, what just happened? I go, I think I got to quit my job. My second grader was just like, they just destroyed me. And so when I did the Super Bowl, they called me on FaceTime right afterwards. Biggest appearance ever.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Randy Moss freaking out. Adam Schefter was on ESPN right before Super Bowl. And they go, just, you talk too much. Do the trick with the candy. Because I have a trick where I just make candy appear. They're like, just do that one. Yeah, do that one. Do that one. Like, great directorial notes. Like, stop doing all the tricks with the mind stuff. Just make more candy.
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Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
That's the one. That's the kids. Brought me right back down.
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Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I travel a lot. I'm traveling like crazy. If you see my schedule next week, I have six shows in four days. I cross the country twice. I got two red eyes where I'm sleeping on planes, waking up 8 a.m. I'm already on stage for 3,000 people.
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Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Probably about 115. Oh, wow. Damn, gosh.
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Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
So I don't tour as much, it's interesting enough. I do some, a little bit of that, but I do corporate events. So I kind of went, I cut out where you would think yourself normally. So it's always better when somebody spends not their own money. When I'm buying tickets for a show, I'm like, how much is this show? Nabisco, you say? Biscuit money, Joe. So no, I just do all different corporate events.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I do some other things, but the TV stuff, but again, I don't even see this competition because we turn down much more shows than we take in, which is really a great problem to have, but it's from all the exposure from TV and then really focused in the last few years on social media and saw that in ways where I think some people really didn't understand the power of viral clips and consistency.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
It's dopamine. If you're on TikTok, hundreds of millions of views, people see the right clips, like a Joe Burrow. I literally carpool with a couple other dads and moms in this thing. They don't know what I do. I look like an accountant. Gil Grissom right there. This one guy thought I was a lawyer. He goes, and he shows me his phone. Three people sent him to Joe Burrow in the same week.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
He goes, Joe, that dude looks just like you. I'm like, that is me. He's like, how do you do this? He's like, this is what you do for a job? He's like, I thought you were a lawyer. I'm like, yeah, I never said anything. Wow. But it's kind of a niche.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Now when he says to me, I can't take the kids from Subway Pool, I'm like, I know what you're really doing. I know what's going on.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
No, I'm kidding. Don't lie and say you're sick.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I'm still waiting for mine. Oh, yeah. His broken foot's throwing me off. I can't get in his head. You know what? We'll try one thing.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Well, we can't repeat. I can't have you do like what he did. I can't even do. It's got to be something new. Something new. So, but you know what? Your phone, grab your phone. You thought of somebody, and you thought of Jasmine. There was a reason you picked that person. For some reason, she popped in your head. No, you're not in trouble. I'm not doing this. That you think. Yes, he is.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Go to your contacts. But hold the phone where I can't see it. Hold the phone where I can't see it. Oh, God.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Start looking through. Is that Galaxy? What do you got? I don't know how to. I don't know. And Galaxy, does it tell you how many contacts you have or no? This is... He's setting you up.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
He's got too many to know. This guy's popular.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Extremely popular.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
All right. You're looking through. Can you see he's got a privacy screen? He's got privacy. You can't see anything. All right. Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to move the mic over, and you're not mobile. The foot, the Achilles. You're going to tip your phone so Ice can't see it, and you can't see it. Now, if you just hold somebody by accident, it's a butt dial. I don't want you to butt dial.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
That's important. Here, can you bring the phone closer? I don't want to see, but I want you to do it.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
is it scrolling yes so you're gonna do this i don't know if you can see can you see a little bit you're gonna scroll but go up and down and whenever you want can you see is it moving you're gonna stop somewhere and i want you to stop but it's very important don't accidentally butt dial or call somebody you're just gonna keep scrolling like i was doing hold it like this lower like flip your hand start scrolling look when you're done give it a couple scrolls now is he going down is he going up is he gonna go to a is he gonna go to z whenever you want say i'm done
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Come on, man. I'm done. Bring it close to your body. Hold us down. Now hold on. Before he looks, it's not one name. Does everybody understand? If it's one name, he did it wrong. He should be on a list. If you take and go through, you just end up on a list. And I don't know where you started. Did you start at the top, so probably in the A's, or you probably didn't start at the bottom?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
In the middle is good. All right. Give him too much information.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Yeah, he's not your friend, yo. And don't look, guys. He's tricking you. I'm looking away. Now, you're going to see a bunch of names. And I'm gonna have you do this. Look at a name somewhere in the middle. So you get to choose and try to... You see one? Put it back to your chest. How many names were on that whole screen? Probably 15, 20. So it's impossible, right?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Even if I gave you the phone and said, look at all the names, you couldn't know who you'd just pick. I had debate. I was trying to see the body language. It wasn't a shift. It wasn't noticeable. Did you pick a guy? No. Oh, I see.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Look at that name, wherever it is in the middle. And I want you, I'm going to see if I can see the difference when he changes. Watch. Keep looking. Don't change where you're on the screen, but with your eyes, just keep going up until you run out of names to look at, until you get to the top of the list. Mm-hmm. It's like three girls, then one guy, then two, then you ended on another girl.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Person at the top, is it a female? It is. See, because you did the same thing. I'm always watching for tells. The tells are when people do something different. Don't talk to me. Do you know her?
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Yeah, whoever you looked at last. The last person you did, you registered different. You looked like you had a very different expression. Do you know her well? We cool. Look this way at me. We cool. put the phone down, something there. I shouldn't, you know, I'm going for it. Think about this. He picked anywhere in his phone. He picked any name he wanted.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
He changed the name, what, six, seven times. It's not a family member. I said, we cool. Never that. No, no.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
It's a first and last name. Think of her first name.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
No, he thought of somebody famous. I want you to do something fresh. It was a trick. Come on. I'm not doubling down. I wonder who this is.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I'm on the edge of my seat.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
I want to know. I mean, Parks, you had theories. Parks the whole time had theories. He goes, oh, man, maybe he knew what he was going to pick. Or maybe... Like he's going to leave you and he's going to try to deconstruct this, but how could this be? Yeah. He changed his mind five or six times.
The Joe Budden Podcast
Episode 810 | "Where The Magic Happens" (feat. Oz Pearlman)
Think of the first letter. Do you speak Spanish? No. He was about to say poquito. Do you see that? Yeah. Oh, he was. Okay. I think so. He rolled his tongue. Rolled. What's the first letter of her name? First letter. On my phone? R. R. I knew it was an R. I knew it. I knew it. And now, what names with an R? Damn.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I think it's more that people don't have the thick skin, like the same way you said the quitting mentality where I came back the year later. Most people won't improve because you can't practice mentalism in front of a mirror. You can practice magic. So when I do the trick on you and it's a card trick, no offense to magic. It's great. But what we're talking about is a much higher level.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I can't get it right. And the first few times you do it, the first hundred times you eat, you know, you eat shit like you're going to get it wrong. And most people don't want to do that. Oh. Watch, watch. Let's try something fun. Okay. Okay? How about this? If I were to ask you, how long have you been married?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Okay. Nailed that question. Well played. Thank you. Your sister's happy. Your wife's happy. If I asked you, would your wife know your social security number? No. She doesn't know it? No. So is there any way in the world I could know your social security number?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Maybe. Online. Agreed. Agreed. I'm skeptical. You're skeptical. Especially someone famous. Yeah, fully. Plus, you can't change that, so I'm not going to do that to you. Data dumps. If I told you right now to make up a random number, I'd say, get out your calculator. I'd love that. And you add it up, and you do a random number. Screw calculus. I want it to be spontaneous.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
2020, okay. So you ask me how do I do what I do. I'm going to write down 2020. Okay. Okay. It's weird, but statistically, men will lie bigger, women smaller. Men like to lie by saying things are bigger, right? No shocker. So I don't think, I would tell you right off the jump for me, that that means that your first number, you don't have to say anything yet, Iowa 2020, is smaller.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
That's what most people do when they're rushed. If I had given you five minutes, you would have done this different. No, I wouldn't have. No, you would have. Why would I have? Because you would have thought about it, and then people go down a different path. Nope. No? Nope. Okay, worked out for me either way. You'll be honest if I'm right. Okay. I got a hit, which means it's a zero or one.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I think the first number of your code's a one, isn't it? Your real pin code. My ATM pin code? ATM pin code. Why would I tell you that on the air? Should I only show this to you? Sure. Only show it to you? Yeah. Can we acquiesce that the first number I got was correct? Yes. Okay. Now, you did repetition. I like the fact when people always say to me it's fake when they watch the videos.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You know Goggins, mutual buddy of ours. But there's races they say are the hardest. This one kicked my butt. Is it because of the elevation? What is it? It's because Europe does not believe in ice, so there's nothing cold for the first 50 miles. You're hot, and then the cutoffs are much stricter. So at 50 miles, you have to be done. You got to fact check this, but nine or 10 hours.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
They're like, you must have set up. Joe doesn't even want this to happen right now. He had no idea this was going to happen. You used two numbers in repeat. What that means is you probably did the same thing. You also didn't use any of the same numbers. I know there's not a two, a zero, or a two in it. I don't think so either. And I'm watching you while I say it. You put the hand up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You might as well have said yes to me out loud, so now I know. Think of the second number, third number, fourth number. Every time you did it, it's a data point. Okay. I'm only going to ask you one more question. I'm not looking for answers. The last number is the biggest, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I'm showing this to you. Is there a camera behind me? I don't want to make sure.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I'm only going to show it to you. Okay. It's not 2020. How'd I do, Joe? Is that your ATM pin code? Yeah.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Interesting. Interesting. I'm trying to avoid criminal. Yeah. So I want everyone to know that was correct, right? That is, you went 2020. Yeah, that was correct. Your wife of 16 years doesn't know it. Now I do.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I hear you. You don't believe me. It's not that I don't believe you. It's that we got layers. So like we're peeling through and I know why you think you picked it. And I know that you think you gave me no information. But I'm telling you that good luck finding out how in the world could I have found out your ATM pin code. You said nobody knows this. That informed what I did.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So had you thought of a different number of your social security, you wouldn't have said 2020.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
That's even better, isn't it? Had you picked it, I could have looked this up. That's actually, to me, more of a gold standard.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I guess, man, if I have broken into your bank account, there are bigger things at play than this podcast, I feel. I don't keep a lot of money in that account. Watch this. Watch this. How many UFC fights do you think you've seen in person or commentated?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So you have to finish 153 miles in under 36 hours. You need to be running at all times. You can't walk for two hours and start throwing up. I was puking for eight hours straight the first time I did it. Still, excuses. This is me just bitching. I should have finished that year. I wasn't mentally tough. But 100% that year, I just didn't have it mentally. And the next year I came back ready to die.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Thousands, right? Probably. Watch this because I love that. I like the way you think and I like that you're skeptical because I'm a huge skeptic. I'm always the one calling BS on this, right? That's how I started doing it. If you think through all your fights and you go back in time and they need to know this is spontaneous. This is impulsive.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You have not thought of this before this moment, have you? Right. I want you to stop and start thinking of different fighters, past or present. Could be somebody huge. Could be a legendary figure. Could be somebody more under the radar.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Maybe you've had them on a podcast. Maybe you haven't. Watch. Make sure you think I'm not guiding you. The same way you said 2020. I said that. I would have said that no matter what. Let someone jump into your mind right now that you've definitely seen one of his, I guess, or her fights. Okay. Bam. I'm not guessing it. I don't care. Tell us.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Was it a specific fight you saw this person in or are you just seeing the fighter?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
No, no. Go to a specific fight of that person. Try to like contextualize it. Or change to a different fighter right now if you feel like you need to.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
maybe let me think let me think see joe's not going to want to change and now that i said that i'm trying to get it crafty yeah get crafty move along here are you going to come up with a name i'm not coming up with anything i want to see how your mind worked i'm only doing this because you told me i would have said 2020 no matter what You think that you had the thought regardless of what I did.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And I want you to see that there's causality. Boom. Do it now. Who just came into your head? Okay. Tell us. I'm not guessing. Anderson Silva. Anderson Silva. Legendary, right? Yes. Did he win or lose that fight? He won. He won that fight? Yes. How many people did you go to? So funny you said Anderson Silva. Legendary guy. How many people did you think of before you landed on him?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Dozens? Yeah. If you had to put a number on it and you actually count them, how many do you think you went through? Guess.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I was like, I'm going to finish this race. Yeah. There was a guy in the middle of the night, I won't kid you, who looked at me and he says to me, there it is. He goes to me with like crazy eyes. And I've already given up in my mind. You know, like they call it DNFing, did not finish in ultras. I already wrote the speech of like, I'm going to tell my friends.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
All right. No. 14 people went through your head. Anderson Silva. It's... Do you think that at some point in this week you heard something that got that in the back of your head that made you say that now? Do you think there's any way that that could have happened?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I'm just curious. Okay. No trick. I'm just curious why that happened. Yeah. Where do we go from here? Where are you going with this? I don't know where I'm going. You don't know? I do.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Oh, I'm not guessing it. I wanted to see where you thought of why it came to your mind. There'll be a reason. I don't want to explain it yet, but you'll see.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I think so. I think there is, yeah. What's the reason? I don't want to tell you yet. I'm selling the sizzle, not the steak. Why?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
How did they come to you? I think my favorite form of entertainment, by far, is stand-up comedy. Like, straight up, I'm a fanboy of comedians. Like, not the people that do what I do, because I just love watching how you can take any premise... And stuff that's not funny, right? The people that really go, you know, like Andrew Schultz. Life, did you watch his?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You haven't seen it? No. So how do you take infertility, right, and just it's not really a very funny subject and make it incredible. He's amazing. He's so good. So good. And so I like the fact that how you invent that. So I design with an end in sight. I say, what do I want people to remember? about what I do.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Because I'm not really in the business of fooling you, honestly, and like entertaining you. All of those are side effects. What do I think I do for a living? I create memorable moments, which is very definable because if you go see a movie, let's say you see a popcorn flick. You walk out of the movie theater, 10 minutes later, what happened in the movie? I don't know. It was fun. I don't know.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
That to me is 100% like the death of my show. You leave and you will remember things, hopefully for years to come. And that's because I can rework your memory. That's really a lot of the techniques I do. People think that your memory is infallible, that what you see is some sort of blueprint, like a video. And it's not.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
It has to do with how you feel in the moment, the emotions, the things you can position, the same way hypnosis works. So I can kind of engineer memories in a certain way, the way people remember things, the way they think, and create those moments that people talk about hopefully for years.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I learned from that, you know, all that, all that stuff of like, I already gave up in my mind. And I saw this guy at my, I don't know, 72, middle of the night, who looks at me with these crazy eyes. I'll never forget his looks. Crazy eyes. Like that, but a hundred times more. And goes, you're going to give up? He goes, if you can't run, you walk. You can't walk, you crawl. You never, ever.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And that's what's been, you know, I guess that's what's been the driver of my business and what's helped lead to my success.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I guess so, yeah, mentalism. Did you know that or is it something that I learned it? I learned, you know what? I learned certain things and I observed them and I didn't understand why they happened. You ever have that? You ever have a moment in a set where you say it's something that you didn't think was funny, but got a huge laugh. Did you know, do you have that? Or do you always know?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
It's usually not the punch. It's like, I didn't know that would be funny right then.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
where the beats are, what was the word I said in this way? What was that inflection point? So when I was doing restaurants, I had this trick where I would have somebody pick a card out of a deck of cards, right? They would put the card back in the deck. They sign it with their name. And I used to do this at a bunch of restaurants. They would shuffle up the deck. I give them a rubber band.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I say, rubber band that bad boy. And I would take the deck and I would throw it at the ceiling. It's kind of a famous trick. And then boom, the ceilings were really high at all the restaurants I worked at. So nobody could peel it. Their card would stay stuck to the ceiling. And this was great for multiple ways. One, everybody talks about it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And they're like, dude, this guy stuck my card to the ceiling. How the hell did he do that? They would also bring people back to the restaurant. You write cha-ching, cha-ching. The managers love me because we bring more people back to see it and point at where their card was, right? Business 101. And so I create a great value proposition to the manager. Why am I there?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I'm getting you guys more customers. But one time I'm listening to people that came back in and they're talking about the trick and they go, yo, man, I picked a card. I I put it back in the deck and I shuffled it up. And next thing I know, I look at the ceiling and my cards on the ceiling. And I'm like, yo, that's not what happened. I threw the deck up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
The deck fell down and then the card was on the ceiling. So I go, why did that guy misremember it? Right. Maybe he's just drunk, maybe whatever. But I'm trying to understand why did he have a different memory of the same event? And what I realized is that people observe what you have them focus on. Tony Robbins has a great bit where he goes, right now, close your eyes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Tell me everything that's green in this room. And you're like, green? I don't know. But then when you open your eyes, I see that the UFO lights are green instantly. But I say, close your eyes again. What's purple in this room? I'm like, I didn't look for purple. You find what you're looking for. So if I... Didn't say it took me a while to like iterate and figured out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
But if I don't look up when I throw the cards, when I would throw the cards up and let them fall back down in my hand and not look up, the percentage would go 80, 90 percent that afterwards people, when they told the story, they edited, they clipped out the part of me throwing the deck. And now it becomes a miracle. How the hell is that card on the ceiling stuck? You mean you shuffled it?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
It was signed. It's on the ceiling. That went from being a good trick to a miracle. And I kind of learned that at about age 15. And I started to realize, how do I do that with everything I do? Because that's a life hack for everything you do. That's not magic. That's life. How do you get people to remember what you want and forget the things you don't want? Wow. That's how you achieve success.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You start to highlight your strengths. You find ways. And that's a learnable skill. That's not something for magic. That's something in all of life.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Well, I guess my intention, at the end of the day, I'm a competitive SOB. I want to be the best in the world at what I do. I'm driven by that. It's like Olympic gold medalists. I want to do the best things possible. Most people don't know what a mentalist is. You go on the street, 100 people, how many people are going to say yeah?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And I was like, yo, man, this guy needs to chill out right now because I've already quit in my mind. But I channeled that guy when I came back the next year. And it was that it was I'm going to the hospital and you're not putting IV. I'm going to finish this race. And I came back the next year mentally like there's no way I'm not finishing. Did you do anything different in preparation?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Leave that for the end, huh? You want to try it again? Not yet. I don't like to do the same thing. I got to do better stuff.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
All right, before we go, how about that? Not right now. We're in flow. Okay, okay. I'm trying to throw you off. You could. Listen, I don't get it right every time. That's the other part. A magic trick works every time. This doesn't. I've eaten it on live national TV with millions of people watching. Yeah, man, there's no safety net. It's not a trick.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
There's not a card trick where you put it in, I find it. There's not like that. So how are you doing it? I mean, I'm telling you, I don't read minds. I read people. I've got a whole host of different skills, algorithms, you name it, like misdirection. It's all a wheelhouse of skills that I'm using to create the impression that I can read your mind.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
But this has got to be a weird thing to know how to do. Weird, like in a bad way or a good way?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You know what the best way, do you remember in Born Identity, the first scene, like one of the scenes where he loses memory and he walks in the restaurant. Do you remember that scene? And he's sitting at a diner. Do you remember that one?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
He sits there and he turns and he goes, he doesn't remember who he is. And he goes, why do I know? And I'm going to massacre this quote. But why do I know that that guy's 250 can handle himself in a fight? Why do I know this? Why do I know that right now I could run for two and a half miles before my core temperature goes down to this?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Like he it's like this amazing superhero spy moment of like, how the hell does he know all that stuff? So he's observing life at a much more hyper focused level than most people are. Most people are dialed in at autopilot. If you could set a speaker to autopilot and here's what you're observing, I don't do it in my day-to-day life. It requires focus. It's not the same.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
It's kind of like, I guess, I don't know. I don't lift weights. I just run. But how much focus is required to try to do the largest bench press you've ever done? I assume that you have to get psyched up. You have to focus. You have to do everything right for that to work. It's just an analogy. For me, when I'm performing, you asked me why did I run 27 miles this morning? That dials in my mind.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Like I'm focused where I thought through everything I'm going to do today. It's a laser focus. That got me kind of in tune. I could also have not run, but I'm also away from home, so that was like my joy.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Listen, that game, it's all mental. Anyone who tells you otherwise, physical's meaningless at that point. Physical's meaningless in most points, to be honest. There were guys who I saw when I quit, it was, you know, 2 a.m., who were slower than me. They were older than me. Every objective measure, I should have beat them, but they mentally finished.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You mean something on TV or what I do for a living, like events? Either one, any kind of show you're doing. So for my day to day living, which is I do a lot of like really big corporate events and then I do, you know, I guess a lot of private parties, things of that sort, performances like live performances. Typically, I structure it the same way I think anybody would.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I want to go out the gate very strong. I want to very instantly establish credibility. Who am I? What do I do? Am I any good at it? And why should you be paying attention to me because all those questions off the jump is like who the hell cares I always go in with who cares what you can do. You're special.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I don't care I like the thought of I'm gonna prove to you that this is something incredible and that it's something you're interested in emotionally If I told you just make a random number up, who cares? But now it's going to haunt you that that's your freaking ATM pin code. So I prefer that. So I do something very quick that freaks you out.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And then every single thing needs to have a very clear premise. Like I call it clarity of effect. I don't like a trick where I'm like, get a book, get a Rubik's Cube, get the, like, it's too confusing. You need to be able to explain to a six-year-old what I did in one sentence for it to be memorable. That's the key.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
The best things you've ever seen are typically stuff you can describe in one max two sentences. Hmm. And for TV, for TV it's the same exact thing, but I always like to do new stuff. So I've done a lot of TV appearances, and I always structure it based on who's watching. So rather than it being about me, and me saying, oh look what I can do, and look how cool this is, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You do a card trick, again, I'm not saying that's not amazing, but the card trick's about you, typically. If I'm on ESPN and I've done hundreds of millions of views doing stuff for football players, you're watching this. You're a football fan. You're like, who cares about this guy? I'm going to do stuff about football players and about what interests you if you're a fan.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
The next morning, I got a night's sleep, woke up, watched them, ate lunch, and saw them finish. I was like, I was crying. I couldn't believe the emotions of this guy finished, who was two hours behind me when I quit. And I learned that day it's mental, 100%. The mindset is when you get there, you know if you're finishing at the start. So did it haunt you that you didn't finish?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I don't know if you've ever seen. I did a clip with Joe Burrow from the Bengals.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
where i said joe i ever spoken to you a word in my life he goes no like i honestly the funny thing about that is i wasn't even supposed to use him in the show they told me he's shy you don't want to like don't use him in the show and they said if you can't avoid him i got in there i tried to rile up the gang you know kind of peer pressure and i'm like should we get joe in here and they're like yeah get him up haven't spoken a word to this guy in my life there's no access i
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I went in with ESPN shout out to Adam Schefter who I love who set all these wheels in motion but Joe stands up doesn't know me from anyone and I say every wide receiver and tight end in the room stand up and I go what if I could tell you who you're going to throw that ball to what's that worth right that's the holy grail if you're in football I go catch the ball quarterback I go look at everyone in this room and now look at me and I wrote on a huge huge thing showed the camera throw it to anybody you want throws it got the first one right
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I go, let's do it again. I go, throw it to anyone you want. Anyone? I go, anyone. Throws it, got the second one right. Everyone's freaking out. I go, one last play. Two is luck. And I write, fakes to Jamar. You can watch the clip. It's the most viral thing I've ever done. And he fakes it to Jamar, turns around, throws it to another guy. Nailed it exactly. And you just see his face. And so I...
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
was thinking about how I would do that for two years, two years of thinking of every single way that could work, not work, go wrong. Everything about it was, you know, he thought I went in the room and it's so simple. That was two years of me thinking about it during every run. So for two years, you knew you were going to do this? I started with the end. You asked me the same way.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I don't know how you form a set, but you asked me, how do I design? I was designing with the story people would tell. And so people that don't know who I am, don't know anything, go, yo, we saw this guy. Did you see this guy? He just told Joe Burrow to throw the ball to any people. Throws it, gets it right. The story is, I told the quarterback anybody he would throw the ball to.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So for two years you thought you were going to be on ESPN with a quarterback? Well, no. So he was the second season. So when I first started it, I start brainstorming. I'm like, I can't control what thoughts come in. I'm constantly thinking about what I'm going to do. And I just do notes apps. I write stuff down in the shower. Like when I run is when I come up with stuff and in the shower.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Sometimes on airplanes, but I sleep on planes. But that's when it hits me. Like, where are your bursts? You must have, like, where are you getting material? Mostly late at night on the right.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Yeah, and I'm in New York City. Or the sauna. Sauna's good because you can't be on electronics.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Haunted. Like what you did was really hard, but you didn't. No, that's bullshit hard. I should have finished. How far did you get? I got halfway. So that's pretty hard. No. 75 miles? I quit when it was convenient because I got to an aid station and I'm like, oh, I got 30 minutes. I already decided in my mind I was quitting. But hold on.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Yeah, the phones are a killer. The phone's like you zap any creativity or boredom. You need boredom.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You don't get to sit with it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I think is key because that's when they kind of fire off. Yep. And I think that's, you know, not to get into it, but like so many kids now have no way to deal with boredom. Yep. It's like panic. I got to get my phone. I got to, you know, that whole feeling of I wish there was a way to do that.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
million dollar question right I wouldn't be in business if everybody knew that's kind of well okay even better how did you learn how to do this kind of thing so I started with books and then there's some videos but it's a very esoteric tell you that's applicable they give you a series of foundational things like right almost everybody who becomes a mentalist stars a magician it's kind of like if you're a doctor you gotta be a doctor before you become a plastic surgeon so there's this core set of skills that you utilize and
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
To know how to fool people. Right. To know how people think.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Right. Think about you. If I taught you a car trick right now, there's always a level of deception. Oh, that's light of hand. Well, there's tricks called self-working tricks where you don't need to do any sleight of hand. OK. They work by themselves as long as you follow the instructions like IKEA furniture, like step one, step two, step three.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Work people in a certain way to do the right thing is versus something. I'm not doing that. You're like, oh, what do I do right now? Right. You have to know how to finesse people. You have to influence people effectively. And so that same stuff within magic almost always applies to props. You need a thing to do the trick.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Now, it could be a regular deck of cards, in which case you're loitering slights, but also there's gimmicks, right? There's tricks you can buy at stores, which when I was a kid, I'm like, oh, teenager, I'm like, get me the next gimmick. But then to get better, you start being able to do stuff impromptu, right? That's when you kind of hit another level where I don't need stuff.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I can do stuff with anything. You know, I could do stuff. It's like a good story for my book that I'm writing right now, but it's like where I just needed anything around. I was like, I end up in jail for a weekend. It's a long story, but like in jail one weekend, stupid weekend. But I walk in there by myself and I I should have been out that day.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
But anyway, I got stuck all weekend and I watched them with cards. And it was like I had trained my whole life for this moment where I walked up record scratch to like 40 dudes. And I go, can I see those cards? And it was like everyone looked at me like, what's this guy about to do? And I just did car tricks for the next eight hours. When I went to take a shower, I'm like thinking of the show Oz.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I got to pause because I walked in here and I told you, before we start, I have something for you. Right. People always say, can I read minds? I can't read minds. I read people. Okay. This envelope, if they can't see it and they're listening, your logo sealed. Right. This is your future. My future? This is your future. I'm not psychic. I'm not supernatural.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I'm like, oh, my God, right now. I had protection. I went to the shower, Mecosta County Jail in Michigan, and literally I had people being like, go take a shower. We got you, bro. What did you go to jail for? Oh, so stupid. So we had – this is so dumb. This almost derailed my whole career. Drunken idiots. I go up to visit a buddy in college and we steal from a Papa John's. Don't ask me why.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
A broken phone at a college Papa John's. Just being idiots. I paid for the pizza. But there was a broken phone on the counter. And, you know, this is like me sleight of hand style. I'm like, I'm stealing this thing. It's just gone. And it was in my jacket. And then I told my buddies, you guys got to get something, too. So they go in the bathroom, which doubles up as the employee locker room.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And they take three dirty shirts, dirty shirts from a laundry bin. And we bring them back to my buddy's house like idiots. We wear them. And we at the party. I barely remember this. I was like blackout drunk are like Papa John's. Who wants a pizza? Who wants a pizza? I end up going to sleep on his futon right at like 2 a.m. And at 4 a.m. someone comes in and like, yo, the cops are here.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I'm like, dude, it's not my house. What do you want from me? Did you guys post the videos? No, this is pre-social media, man. No, no. Somebody ratted us out. Somebody's roommate, I found this out way later, called and goes, yo, bro, there's a bunch of dudes here with a broken phone from Papa John's. I didn't know any of this. But somebody comes in, they're like, yo, the cops are here.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I'm like, they're here for you. And I'm like, here for me? What do you mean they're here for me? I don't live here. And cops come in the room, and I'm wearing aggressively small underwear at this point. This is like... Tidy whiteys. This couldn't have been more of like a bad perp walk. And they go, yo, you're under arrest. And I'm like, for what? And they're like, for stealing from Papa John's.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And what am I going to say? I'm wearing the shirt. This is on a Friday night. How old are you? I was 20 years old and I was just about to get an internship for Merrill Lynch. And while this story is hilarious now, it's like a funny chapter in my book. It was like, God help me. Did I avoid everything? And then when I went to jail, yo, scariest, one of the scariest days of my life.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
How did you get out of everything? So I got out of everything because I had a clean record. I was a pretty upstanding citizen. And, you know, not to get in the weeds, there's something called Holmes Youthful Trainee Act. I don't know if they still have it. It was expunged from my record. Didn't have to report it to, like, the Wall Street firm. And they also said they were charging me.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
They put us in, like, a drunk tank, me and two buddies. And they said they're charging us with felony larceny. And I've seen some, like, law and order. I'm like, felony? It's like, what do we steal? Like, 20 bucks worth of stuff? They go, but you stole things they don't sell. Had you stolen $999 of pizza... It would have been a misdemeanor. And I know they're lying to me. I'm not a mentalist then.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And I'm inebriated. But I can read the room. Didn't say a word. Knew this was BS. And then they separate us when we went to general population. And it's not like the movies. It was wild. It was wild when I went in there. And I just knew this is my cheat code. It was like everything in life had prepared me for this moment.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
But I assure you, I want you to hold this from now until the end of the episode. Okay. That's when we open it. I don't even know if I want to know my future. No, no. This is all good stuff. Live to 120. Joe's going to be a two-term president. Shut the fuck up. That's not good. I don't want that job. You take it before we even start. Okay. And at the end, we open it. So nobody skips this episode.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
It's a big day. How long did it take you to run it? You got to check online. I don't know. I think it was like three hours, 25 minutes, 3.30, something like that. Wow, that's a good time for a casual. Went kind of southeast, thunderstorming in Austin, Texas, and then looped around, went back, got some work done. I always do phone calls while I'm running.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And the jail was also, again, I didn't know this, but it was very segregated. Like the white dudes are here. The black dudes are here. And I didn't know, what do you do when you go in? Like, what do you do? I'm five foot nothing. I'm like a buck 40 dripping wet. What do I do? How do you make friends right now?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And I see the black guys playing spades and I just walk up and it's like, you make your move. And I'm like, let me see those cards. And it was just, it's like a moment I have. And I didn't stop for hours. I didn't repeat a trick. Like I know tricks encyclopedically. I just go all day. Wow.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
It was crazy. And then it was all thrown out, and it cost me some money. It was definitely a very, very stressful few weeks, and I never stole anything since. Honestly, that was scared straight. That was very, very smart. Like, I... You prefer to learn a lesson like that, for my kids especially, without being stupid.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
But so many of us have to be stupid to internalize a lesson of touching the stove. And I had to burn my hands. Did you always talk this way, the way you talk?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Is this your whole life? I think so. Even though, man, anyone on 1.5x the way I listen to podcasts is going to be miserable with me.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You don't drink caffeine at all? I try to avoid it. I'm not a coffee guy. I missed the boat on coffee. I honestly wish I did. It probably wouldn't be good for me, given how dialed in I am. But I just never started drinking caffeine, so I never got into it. Do you ever mess with any stimulants? Not really. No, not really? What does that mean?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Like, what do you mean by... Like, I'll have... Like anything. If I don't sleep... Yeah. And that happens a lot. So if I'm not, like, getting enough sleep and I've done a red eye and I'm this and that, I will occasionally do, like, a Celsius or a Red Bull, but I don't really like it. I do it kind of as medicine because I have to be alive and functioning, but I really try to avoid it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So I only drink about a third of it and then I pour it out. Um, and, and my kids are always like, why are you pouring that out? And they call everything a brewski, which is a weird thing to call just because before I always like, it was always like a brewski is what they've extrapolated to every beverage in a can being a brewski. That's hilarious.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Yo, four locos are like... Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I got to ask my wife. I think so. I'm more on now because we're doing something. But if I go on certain platforms or TV and I know I want to be slow, then I'll just calibrate down. But I'm getting fired up.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So I take meticulous notes about everything. Everyone I meet, everything, at the end of a show, immediately, as quickly as I can afterwards, probably some people record shows. I hate re-watching myself on corporate shows and live shows. I don't mind TV stuff, but for some reason, those, if I've repeated material, because it's like muscle memory, you've done this before, it irks me to watch again.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
But I write down everything that happened, every nuance, like paragraphs about everything that happened, which is a useful like life hack because I remember it all. But also I get repeat bookings a lot. So somebody brings me back. Now it's like a real magic trick where I know everything about what happened. And if you even just recount stuff from two years ago.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
People think you have superhuman memory, or what are they like? People's number one subjects are themselves, their family, and their friends. The more you can do that and give them back stuff about them, the more they're like, wow, what a caring individual, right? Being a good listener a lot of times is just repeating back to people what they just said.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
They'll fast forward. They'll miss all the good stuff in the middle. The quitters. The quitters. The people who did not finish Spartathlon.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
For sure. For TV more than corporate. Because corporate's not as big of a deal because what does somebody want there? They want a defined quantity, right? They don't want somebody – you don't want to work out new material if you're being paid a lot. It's a stadium. Are you doing new ones? Right. Like you're going to do your hour. You're going to do what's solid. So I do a lot of that.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And the problem is I don't really have a lot of places where I can do new material because I'm just so busy. So I have so many events that I don't really have like anything.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
There might have been in the past, but right now it's not. It's just not where I'm at. So you just practice on friends sometimes? Everything's in my head. Everything. Yeah, so I... A lot of things I'll do on TV, I've never done before ever. Really? Yeah.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So I'm just thinking through everything that could go wrong, and I go through kind of like a list of what could go wrong here, what could go wrong here. What if they think this right there? What if we change this? I have like plan A, B, C, D, E. I have just a long list of what everything will go. Like a pick your own adventure. And typically... I know where to go with it.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And then controlling your body and your tension is everything, right? So you're a hunter. You step on a branch. Animal hears it. What happens? Right. Gone. Right. It's a it's a it's a sense that we can feel. We have the same thing. We're animals. If I get tense when something's going wrong, you can sense it. Even if you don't know it on a conscious level, you can sense it.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
When did you start doing this? My sister ran a marathon. Shout out to my older sister. And there's a little bit of sibling rivalry. She's eight years older. I have twin sisters. And do you remember when marathoning became, like, commonplace?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And now we have a cascade. So my job is based upon me being somewhere the alpha and being in control of the situation. And so if I write, think about it. If I just said, think of your pin code, I don't want to. Right. I don't want to. I'm gonna do this instead. I'm gonna do this instead. Right. How did you acquiesce to my will? You did what I wanted in essence. Right. We could manipulate any way.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
But at the end of the day, you did what I wanted. Right. And in my show, I'm the one pointing the camera. I'm always the director. You don't get to point where you want. I kind of in charge. And even if I let you think you're in charge, I'm still in charge at the end of the day. Right. I come to my kids. I want them to eat veggies. I don't say you got to eat your veggies. They'll say no.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I go, you're so lucky right now. Carrots, cucumbers or peppers. Which one? You're so lucky you get to choose first before your brother or sister. Now I've framed it differently. Right. Anybody with toddlers knows that's the best way to do it. Don't go straight on. That's not going to work. Right. So the same thing applies. Power dynamics in relationships with people change.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So I got lost in my train of thought. But in essence, if I am messing up and you know it, it's going to go downhill really fast. And so on TV, some of my biggest mess ups, you don't know. But I am shitting my pants flop sweat like fully. And I can't let you see that. I need to be so calm because if I am not calm, you can actually you can actually tell. And it's going to keep going worse.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And I can't get you to go back to what I want. And I've lost control of the situation. Hmm. So years and years were spent doing that. I would say it's very akin to a sniper. I'm not a sniper. Don't get me wrong. I'm not military. But how do you calm your heart rate? How do you stay calm even when you're not? And I could have an HRM on me. I'm calm when things are going wrong.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I think so. I mean, the way I describe the ultra marathons, because they're silly, right? He just ran, I love Cam, ran 250 miles. Do you see that thing? Amazing. That's a crazy thing to do. That's not healthy. And I'm a nutcase who can say that. And for most people, they're like, I don't want to do that. And you don't need to. But what is that? What is that really?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
When you do that, everything else in life becomes easier.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
The lows that you experience when you do something like that is a way you cannot fake in any other way. You cannot test who you really are than putting yourself. You could be on the couch saying, what would I do and be tough guy and you're pretend to be Goggins or Haynes. But until you get in that level where you're miserable, you haven't slept in a day, you have all that.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
There might be another way to push yourself, but that's where you learn who am I really at my core. And then when you go back to normal life, everything else, the volume is turned down. And when I come back from those races, all I do is get a mirror to put up to see who am I really when things are at their lowest and when I want to quit and I don't.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
They all are, right? So my sister ran it, and everyone at a certain point, marathoning became like a thing. Do you remember when Oprah ran one, and then everyone's like, I'm running a marathon? I didn't pay attention. Yeah, but there was like a moment where the zeitgeist, everyone started running marathons. This was before that.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Again, I don't want to speak out of turn like medical, but they've shown over and over that exercise is just – it's almost as effective in certain regards and like just being a certain level of healthiness than antidepressants. No, more effective. More effective.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
No for sure anxious to make that Jonathan hate on like it's it's yeah It's it's wild the correlation and it's just so clear-cut. But yeah, social media is very It's it's it's one things. There's some benefits but man Oh, man, you can't put that genie back in the bottle.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
When my sister said she's running 26.2 miles, if she had told me, this is not that she's not fit. She was like a collegiate D1 athlete, swimmer. I'm like, if she had said I'm going to the moon, it would have been equal of like, what do you mean you're running a marathon? And so when she did it, I immediately that day signed up for a marathon just to be like, no, screw that. I'm not.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I'm terrible with X. A lot of my friends get news on X. I'm just like... It's too much negativity. It's a lot of negativity. And for Instagram for years, I started realizing that it just... Like a compare and despair. Do you know that? Where... I'm like, why am I getting off of this and feeling worse than I did getting on it? And so I really had to flip a switch in my brain to I got rid of that.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Anything that I don't like, I don't show. And I stopped focusing on what I don't have and focus on what I do have.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Was it material possessions? It wasn't material. It was I need to use. I don't look at people and hope poorly upon them. I look more at it and say I'm not doing enough. So it's like an inferior. You're always going to be lesser than. Someone's going to be younger, richer, smarter, like every err.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
But in my case, it was more of I wanted to achieve a level of success and just seeing other people in my field or other fields. And I felt like I'm not doing enough. I'm somewhat driven, ambitious. So I'm like, I'm just not doing enough right now. And it's that constant feeling of I'm not doing enough doesn't drive you. It would be better to see. Look at them. I'm so happy for them.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I'm going to do that, too. Like I it should be a positive, uplifting thing. And it's a flip in your brain. It's like multiplying negative one times negative one. and much more of the inflection point of gratitude. Do you know Jay Shetty? Jay, I don't know, he's a podcaster, really good dude. I've definitely heard of him.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Met him last year, and he told me something very stuck with me for the last year, which is a million thoughts a day. We're on social media, we're all this, that. He goes, the only two thoughts, you can't control them all, but try to control two thoughts each day. The first one when you wake up, and the last one when you go to sleep. It's that easy. Those two.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Just try to have the first thing you wake up be one, and before you go to bed, just have one last thought.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And they're always for me. It's like, yo, I'm every day alive is a blessing. Like, I literally I believe that in my core. I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. Like a parent in my school just passed away recently. Shattered like young kids, cancer. I've known a few people. And you see that and you're like, no, that's for real, though. You don't know what will happen tomorrow. Right.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So I've hit the lottery like I'm blessed beyond measure. Wife, way out of my league. Smart, gorgeous, sharp as a whip. Five beautiful kids. Like I try to focus on everything I have and never on what I don't have. I get to do what I love for a living. Like my mindset is completely evolved of why would I think of what people don't? And everybody, if you're alive, you should be happy.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You do not know what tomorrow will be. And I know that's all like new agey, whatever, but that's,
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
But no, it's actually what you think because your thoughts create a lot of your reality. The same way I said looking around the room. So if your mindset starts to become one more of, rather than you see someone, you're like, screw that guy. He's rich, right? That's how the mindset, that's easy for you to say they're rich. You see that in comments all the time.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I'm not not doing this. Right. And I was working on Wall Street. I was kind of getting fat and lazy, happy hours. And I go, this is all there is. Like, I'm just going to keep I'm making money. Don't get me wrong. I'm blessed. But I got I got to have something that fires me up. That's my instinct. And so I signed up for a marathon. What year was this? 2004. Okay.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I'm like, I think that person worked their butt off to get to where they are. And what did they do? And you know what? That's inspirational to me. What can I learn from that? And so that's just a mindset of, I don't see it as a zero sum game.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
But you find the excuses because you're like, if I had that, if I had that and rather than be nice. Well, exactly. Must be nice. Rather than saying, how do I do this for myself? Exactly. It's much easier, especially if you've given up on certain things. Now, once you've given up, it's better to make excuses and bring someone else down to try to bring you up.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And then I did one Philly marathon, you know, the Rocky, the whole thing. And at mile 23, I start, I stop. And I I'm like crying. I, again, this is a common theme. I've cried like twice in my life. My wife will ask and say, but I was wrecked. I was going to quit. I see two dudes walking because I'm going decently fast at this point. I've trained terribly.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Yeah. And I find that it's over time. It's selfish, but it's selfless at the same time. I like to show love to people coming up as much as possible and try to highlight them and try to kind of... pay it forward in a way that's for the new people that are kind of doing what I do or doing different things.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
There's always an inflection point where you're starting to bang wives. That's always, where is that in the cult? There's always a message from God. Right, that tells you you need more pussy. And you're like, those two right there, I don't know why. I didn't say it. I didn't say it for the record. Yeah. He said it. God said it.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And then always the part else is there's always some sort of a end point. Like the world's going to end, but it didn't because we prayed so hard. So we're back, baby.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
They just never see the writing on the wall. The cult leader has a very unique... Again, there's a fine line between if you looked at a path in my life... Again, I don't see myself cult leader, but a con man is very similar in many regards to what I do because that's using these skills in what I would describe as... Like an unethical way, right?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I see two dudes walking about 100 yards ahead of me. And I go, misery loves company. I'm going to walk up and I'm going to catch them. But they're walking the same speed as me. So I decide, screw it. I'm going to run to them. I run. I get about halfway there. Do you know what they do? They looked at each other and they started running. And I literally screamed at them. I go, fuck you.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
It's happiness. And you're not lying about the premise, which is the premise is I'm starting from the jump. I'm not psychic. I'm not supernatural. People ask me, is this like a talent or is it a gift? And I think it's similar. Well, yeah. I mean, you've got to have some sort of thing in you to be a good comedian or a good musician or anything like that. You can work on it and get better.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
But I'm never going to the NBA. You know what I'm saying? That's right. You have to have some attributes.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Maybe it was like watching my folks. Maybe there was a lot of weird stuff. I was very good at math as a kid, like unusually good at math. And I would do weird stuff. Like I count steps every time I knew every step in every place I ever went to, like some rain man stuff. And when I would go, this is from the time I was like six, we go to little Caesars. I'll never forget.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I lived in Metro Detroit and before they rang up the food, I knew the percentage tax it would be. So when they did it, I would instantly say before I'd look and I know what my mom was going to tell me, you're going to get $16 and 18 cents. How did you know that and change? And it was like a weird, it was like a weird thing that I got very good at. And I think the boom dopamine hit dopamine hit.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
They would like that. And so it's ingrained where I was good at. Again, people become the Joker because there's some sort of dark thing in there. Not everybody, but typically there's some, I don't want to say trauma, but But you're not going to be funny or amazing unless something happened in your life where you have a reason to be entertaining. Right.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And so I think there's points in time where I could take people's minds off things. And this was a great way to do it. And also magic. People don't get to know you. They get to know the character, the performer. So you get that nice little separation, which I learned at a young age was really like how to make rejection, fear of rejection, fear of failure. Most people, that's their number one fear.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And I learned at 14 how to make that gone, like eliminate that entirely.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
No, I don't mind that. No, I don't mind that. But if they do it when I want them to, right? It's like, again, so the best salespeople in the world aren't the used car sales. They're like, buy this, buy this. Nobody does well. The number one salesperson organization is the one. who gets you to sell yourself. They're bending over backwards to be like, I gotta do business with you, right?
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You get someone to the point where at the end, you don't have to hard close. Every organization I work for, and I go in there and like show you how to do sales training one-on-one, it's going to be the person who gets the other person to sell themself. That's what you do. You lay the breadcrumbs into the trap. The trap is not a bad thing, but the same thing happens in my show.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I am leading you in a certain direction. Watch, I'll show you something. How often is Jamie? Jamie, when I walked in, I talked to him for like two minutes, said he loves magic. He does. Is that true? Is Jamie off mic?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And I got fired up. And I learned that day anger is a great incentive. It's like something to fire up. And I got so pissed off that my blood pressure, I ran the rest of the race.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I didn't know I was going to do this. You have daughters, correct? Yes. So it's hard. I have three girls, two boys. And I found when I named our girls, well, we named it together, obviously, the naming of the girls was far harder than the boys. When you named your daughters, was it agreed upon? Were you like shortlisted? How did it go about it?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And they've got your name for last name, which is still not fair.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So watch this. Do you know what the most common names are right now? I know this recently. I'm two weeks old. But the most common names right now are not the same as when you were naming your daughters, is my guess, if they're teenagers. Do you know what the most common name right now in America? I think it's six years running. Mom. No, no, for girls. For girls.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Olivia. Check it, Jamie. Can you look up top 10? That's a beautiful name. Look up. It just came out. Social Security. I know this because, like I said, we were trying to figure out names. Am I right? It should be Olivia's number one. I don't know. Google top 10.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I thought initially of Olivia Wilde. Who's Olivia Wilde? Movie star? Do you know who she is?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I've performed for Olivia Wilde, never Olivia Newton-John. What did you get? Did you find out?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Oh, yeah. It's not a trick. I just want to see. Olivia's number one.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Ava, nine. You did not hear those names when you were growing up. There were probably no girls named Ava when you were a child. No, none of any of these names.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And Sophia's spelled two different ways, so it's technically number one. Jamie. Oh, really? If I ask you,
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I've known David going on like 15 years, man, before Goggins became Goggins. I've seen the whole come up. How did you meet him? So we trained for ultramarathons together. Ah. He used to live in New York City.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So when you think of how this is happening, watch this. Jamie, I ask you, to come up with somebody absolutely random from your past. Absolutely random.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You know what? Uh, How do you know this person? Oh, you shouldn't have said that. Oh, sorry. Oh, you shouldn't have said a word. What did you say?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Preschool? Somebody in preschool. Yeah. You still keep in touch?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
This guy's playing the pronoun game. What's going on here? You know what? No. No, there's too many giveaways. Just said it wasn't on the list, doesn't it? Right. Let me ask you a question. Want to try again? No, no. I'm going to do something better. We'll switch. This is a glitch in the matrix. Jamie, close your eyes. Close your eyes. I have to look at the stuff. You got to look?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Okay, so pretend you're closing your eyes. I'm going to put you on the spot. Okay. It's not the preschool girl. I want you to close your eyes, go back in time, and try to picture the face. I always call this the one that got your first big crush. Can you visualize her face or you can't see her clearly?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And we'd go out there and, you know, he's shirtless. And this is before now, man, he can't go anywhere. He's just, it's like next level. He still runs on the street. He runs, but man, he's like, that's such a fame that's, you know, we've talked about, but it's, he's, I mean, he's inspired countless millions. Oh, for sure. But you see. Yeah.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
If I were to ask you to look up how popular this name is, well, no, I'm not going to do it again. It's not top 10. Is that correct? Right, it was. Okay, hold on. Look this way at me. I want you, without using your fingers, to count the number of letters in this person's name.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I don't know. I've never had a fictional character as my first crush. This guy got weird. I don't know. Whatever name you went with. Don't say it out loud. I'll go with the fictional character's name. Don't say it. No, no.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Well, I don't know. Oh, don't say it. Oh, no, no. Oh, man. Don't tell me. Don't give me any more clues. You're not going to figure it out. Good. All right. You know what? Do this. Joe, I want you to see this. Should we get a piece of paper right down? There's mics everywhere. Okay. Screw it. Don't even write down. Don't even write down. No, no, not you. I was going to have him write it down.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Eight or nine. Do me a favor. Sure. Count again, but to yourself. Don't do it out loud. Count to yourself.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I'm so confused. All right. Good. This got all over the place. Jamie wants this to go wrong. He does.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I don't know if this is the real name or the fake name anymore, but before today, and me asking you to think of this person, be honest. Would it have been days, months, or literally years before today since this person even crossed your thoughts?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
All right. Mix up the letters and stop like Scrabble tiles. Freeze and grab out a letter somewhere in the name. Maybe grab one out of the middle. Okay. You got it? Sure. He did, too, and he switched. I was trying to look to you. No, no, you did shifty eyes. He did this one and then this one. You didn't do a vowel, did you?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Well, you can tell me. Yes, I did. You did a vowel after all that? A-E-I-O-U, look at me. That's the first one I picked. And you went to the end. Do you think the last letter?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I don't know. This is who knows. Was it nine letters? The name is nine letters long, isn't it?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Yeah, yeah, the real, and he hadn't thought of this person in months. And it doesn't in a vowel. Yeah, it does, I know. I saw it, and you switched to one. And I wrote this down. Joe, you see it, right? I can't change it. No trick here, no BS. What's her name, this first crush? Saw her on TV.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I think so. I don't know. I just turned around. I got it done. I need to get ready for this shower, but yeah. Is that a normal thing for you to do? Very normal.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Christine is what I wrote down. Christine is what I wrote down.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I don't know what your version is, but like somebody sees me, I just get like, Oh, Hey, love what you do. That's it. You know, maybe a selfie. That's right. Occasionally some drunk ass was like, read my mind right now. And I'm like, all right, buddy, I'll do it. I'll do it. You know, I don't want to leave somebody behind, but his is someone comes up and you have to, you change my life.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
How did you know? Wait, wait, hold on. Right now, right now. I want to try this. Here's what I want to try. Joe, how many people?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Wait, where did I put this? Are you an alien? Hold on. Do you work for the CIA? I got to take a leak like crazy, too. You do? Where's the bag? Dude, I drank like two Gators before I got in here for the run. That was a mistake. What bag? There's a bag. Oh, I didn't bring it. You didn't bring it? Why don't you go pee and get your bag? No, no, I've got it. I've got it. I've got it. Look.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I want you to do this. I put together, this is for you. Joe, take these. 50 people, chat GPT. Look through that list. And these are all people, I didn't make this up, I just wrote them down, who have been on the show multiple times and that, how would I describe this? My guess is you have a personal connection. You know these people. Is that a fair assessment?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Rattle off, if there's anybody in there that you feel is not, fits the bill or you don't talk to them anymore, throw it away. I don't care.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Not a trick. I'm not going to guess who it is. I wrote the list. I know who they all are.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I don't care. You want to mix them? You want to do something? I don't care. Whatever you want to do. Okay. Once you mix them up or whatever you want to do, put them in front of you, please. Like a pile. Okay. Turn kind of... Oh, you're not going to look because I want them to be like random. Okay. Kind of put them in front of you. Okay. Kind of turn them sideways. Turn them sideways?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And I think we're going to do this together. I don't know if I'm going to reach over or not.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Here's what I want you to do. Okay. I want you to take, I'm going to do it with you, is I want you to lift off like a chunk. A chunk, okay. Yeah, like a chunk and put the chunk over. Over here? No, no, no, like next to you. Okay. Like, I don't know. How do I, can I move over with the mic or no?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
take this take this okay well take take the piece and i want you to take and the same way that i'm making a bunch of chunks like this i want you to take and i want you to be in charge so take these ones okay and would you agree that's pretty randomized very randomized okay And I want to assess right now. There's five of them. Okay. Is take one of the piles. Okay.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And put it like, which other pile are you going with? Another pile? Like point to another one.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Yeah. Perfect. And I want you, don't show me. Okay. I want you like grab that one. All right. The card. The card on top? Whatever you want. Take it, grab it and look at that person's name. Okay. And don't let me see it. How likely if you were to text this person, do you think would they answer? 100%. Oh, you sure?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Like I didn't kill myself or my brother. Like that's, that's a religious level fervor. Yeah, no, for sure.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Okay, not judging. A lot of dudes on the show. Put them all back together.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Let's assess this. I don't want to know who it is. I don't care who it is. I want to see, and if they're not going to answer, I would tell you to text somebody new. Okay. Text this person in your own words and say, I don't know, got a minute, need a favor, and see if he texts back. If he doesn't, we go to somebody new. We'll give it like, I don't know, 15, 20 minutes. Okay.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Can I tell him what's going on? I would hedge and not say yet because I want to see where he goes with it. Because if you tell him, like, I don't care, but I want to keep this very, I don't want him to know where we're going yet.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
All right, and put it down. We'll revisit later. Pressures. Let's see. Let's check back in a few minutes. Okay. Will it vibrate if you did?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
No worries. If it doesn't go, we'll give it some time, and if not, we'll switch gears.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
But turn your phone face down so you don't think I can see it. I don't want to know who, what, where.
The Joe Rogan Experience
#2332 - Oz Pearlman
We'll revisit. We'll come back. I'll put it on my lap so I feel it when it vibrates. I'll pee later. I'm holding it in, though. I knew the Joe Rogan effect. Okay.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So if we get it, it's meant to be. We'll see. Okay. It's not pressing. You have an idea who it is? I don't know. I can look through the list again. It's not Cam Haines, is it, after you've said all that?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
No, because here's the reason why. If we reveal stuff, I don't want you to. If I guess something very specific about this person, he might not want everyone to know his ATM pin code or social security number.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I don't know what I'm going to do yet, but I don't want... You could tip it, but he's going to be pretty pissed if everybody finds out something. So I prefer if nobody knows yet. But if we want to... You'll see. Okay. Take it to the next level. Jamie's in the room. Right. But what if we could just get anyone who you could have picked? Anybody you know. Right. Now it's different.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Now it's never been done before. Right. You ask me, what do I wake up with thinking about? How could I do this? Yeah, how are you going to do this? I don't know. Let's see if it works.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
He did? Yeah. Okay. Here's the thing. I think that if I were you, I'd say later, well, texting, what if somebody saw something? No, no, no. Don't give any clues yet. There's microphones everywhere. We just asked him to think of his first crush, but he did like someone fictional and like that's a- Can I tell him I'm in the middle of a show? Maybe say I'm in the middle of a show.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And say, we're doing a bit. Do you want to call him? Because if you're texting this, do you want to call him or do you want to text him?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
No, but what if you call him and you just go over there? Which one's better to you? Which one's more impossible? Where later you go, there's just no freaking way. Is it better if he texts you or is it better if he calls you? What do you think is just more impossible?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Yeah, why not? Do this. Have him call you in a second. You'll go over there where there's no microphone, and I want you to ask this guy the same question I asked Jamie. Do you remember the name of the first grill you had a big crush on? And sometimes people don't remember. I just want you to know I've done this a lot. Should I ask him that? Not yet. I would do it on the phone. Okay.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
No, no, because then, well, yeah. Nobody's listening to this, I'm sure.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Don't tell me what he says. Okay. If he says no, a lot of people don't remember this question. Okay. So then I hedge and I go, well, who's the first girl you ever kissed? Let's see, but make sure there's absolutely no way I can see what's on your phone right now. You can't see. Boom, get that tight. You can't see, bitch. Just get mad. Okay. Does he know or he doesn't know? He knows?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Ask him, is it the same as the first girl he ever kissed?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Yep. Two weeks ago, right? No, I'm kidding. Put away. You have two names in your head. Okay. Can we establish the fact that you have 50 people that have been on your show? Yes. That you took anybody. Right. If this person would have texted back, text somebody else. I don't care who it is. Right. There is no conceivable way. This isn't a bank that gave you a number. Right.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And if he didn't know who it is, we would have done something different. I don't care. Put the phone away. Okay. How am I going to do this?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
How am I going to do this? Right? And he said, what happens when it goes wrong? Nothing. I'm not getting paid to be here.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
The same way that you did 2020 and you didn't know. Think of both names. And I want you to juggle back and forth between the two. The first kiss and the first crush.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And... Is one name more interesting to you or like they're equal? Or is one name more interesting or not really?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Okay, so if you gravitate, it would have been like go to one. Okay. Count the number of letters in the first crush to yourself. Don't use your fingers. I can see. Count the number of letters to yourself for the first crush.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And then count the number of letters in the first kiss.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
They're not equal. Can you agree with me? They're not the same amount of letters, are they? No, they're not. No, see, because you'd have the same reaction. Do you know when you put somebody in a polygraph test? Have you ever been polygraphed? No. They can't just ask you the questions right away. They can't. Because they first have to get your benchmark.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Same way blood doping, you've got to test someone's blood against their blood. People have different amounts of testosterone naturally. So I had to see how you would do each one. And then you did the thing with the eyes that throw me off. The first crush... Is that name shorter than the first kiss? Yes. Yeah. Go to the first crush. I'm going to go with that one. Less work for me. Okay.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Mix up all the letters in that first crush's name. Forget the first kiss. Scrap it. Okay. Pick any one in your head. You got one? Got it. Jamie gave me a gift on a platter. Thought of a vowel. When he did that, it was 100%. You wouldn't pick a vowel later. You didn't do a vowel in the name, did you?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Dude, I'm here for a reason, right? I haven't done this. I've been doing this for a long time. Right. I told you. Goal is to be the best in the world at this. Okay. I have watched. I know everything you just did. Second letter. Do you think a second letter? I will. M. Amanda. Is the name Amanda? Yes.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
What the fuck did you just do? And you will talk about this for years.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
No, I'm done, man. Come on. Showbiz. You do your closer, you drop the mic, and you pick the mic back up? Never.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I don't know how to go back to conversation mode. Am I right? I got pissed like a racer. What do I do? Go pee. Do I pee or no? Do we keep going? Do we go strong? With this? No, I'm just saying we'll recalibrate. We definitely can pee.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
All right, I'm going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. Rapid fire. Are we back?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I was sitting on it. You rehydrate. And I drank so much Gatorade right before, and I was like, oh, party foul. Should have thought that one through.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
No, tell us at the end. Can you tell me who it is? I could, but come on. What do you think it is? No, I'll tell you at the end.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
100%. That's not Ben Shapiro. You know what I'm saying?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Did he tell you? No, no, no. I took the quickest pee of my life. I raced over there. No, I didn't tell him shit. You didn't tell him?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
used a lot of the same techniques I'm using because when I watch psychics and I have people always tell me at certain things they tell me like oh you know I saw psychic do this and this and this and I hear it and I go to myself you know I could do that same trick and I could no offense do it better but think about it I'm doing this right now from with an ethical compass versus if I go oh I'm getting this and I thought about this and this is what happened with your dad you're like oh my god you know I'm like oh only 25 grand more to have a private session let's talk to him a
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. That's a lot of distance, man. You know, there was like a sweet spot pre having as many kids and more family constraints and work. And now life is busy. But where I do 20 miles every day. That's crazy. What's the longest you've run? 153 miles. Wow. How long did it take you to do that? 33 hours. Spartathlon in Greece. Epic. It's in Greece? Oh, it's crazy, man.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I'm telling you that a lot of the psychics, I'm watching them like, I know how you're doing that.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You know, not a shameless plug, but like I literally wrote a book. It's coming out in October where it's all about, it's called Read Your Mind. And it's not me telling you how to be a mentalist because 99.9% of people don't want to guess a first crush. It's not useful to you in your life.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
The memes that people have put together are just those videos. And he's got a great sense of humor, which people don't realize. He's got a great sense of humor.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
But what if you could read people more effectively to help you in your life, at home, at work, in relationships? That is a quantifiable thing that the tools of a mentalist, when not used for entertainment, but in life, day to day, are extraordinary. For sure. Yeah.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I've never sold a property at a loss. Let's just say that. It's been pretty good so far. Yeah. You get in there, you're like, I won't take a dollar less. I'm like, I know you will. I know you will.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So the first book I started reading was a book called 13 Steps to Mentalism. But man, is it going to be tough for most people because it was written in the 1920s. So it's kind of like, you know, it's like watching an old movie. No offense to old movies, but I'm like, oh, it's hard to get into this with my attention span now because it's antiquated.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Some of it still applies, but you have to really do a big reach to know how do I apply this? Because back then there were no TVs or no phones. There's no it's just that's what I started with. But I had to learn the hard way. So much of what I do now is, again, I told you, is I don't really do what other people do because I don't know how to explain. They create different, right?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
If you were building a house and you have all these tools, you're going to build using your tools. Does that make sense? So I've got this set of tools. I knew a hammer does this. I do that. I create with the house already built. So my vision, again, and why what's been a differentiating feature is I build with the person at the end in mind. And I already know what the house is going to be.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I know what the memory, I know what you're going to say. Like CNBC, do you ever watch that channel?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So CNBC, Fox Business are financial channels. I have been on those channels dozens of times. How many other mentalists or magicians have ever been on them? Zero. Zero. Why is that? Because it's unusual. That's a serious network. Why do you put me on? Because I do stuff around the markets. And so if you're watching it, you buy in because my stuff's about stock market, interest rates, all stuff.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And it's like, this is crazy, but it had to do with stuff I know. So the same thing when I do ESPN, I'm creating from a different perspective than most. I customize the content. Like when I do a corporate event, I learn in and out your business. And when I go up there, I sneak in the medicine. So now ESPN, You're actually your people aren't just seeing a show.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
They're getting messaging and they're getting in a way where they don't tune out because they don't realize they're being spoken to. It's mostly entertainment. Boom. I planted those thoughts and you leave there with, you know, what's the product launch? What's this? All those things are now internalized and remembered.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Yeah, but there were no mentalists back then. There were just a few people, but they were mostly... They were telling you the skills of psychics. They were showing you how psychics did stuff. And it wasn't really debunking, but they're showing you all the tools, the 13 steps. Like, what are the ways that we can read people more effectively? And what are the tricks of the trade of what we do? Right?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Like, how do you... when someone's counting something like that, right? And you're counting the letters, you know, because to me, you might as well be playing drums. Do you understand what I'm saying? Like if you're playing drums and I have an ear for it, I can hear the beats. So once you learn how to do certain things, they build on top.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I can, if you're counting letters, like again, names are anywhere from three to 12 letters. It's not rocket science for me to figure it out. And again, I can't do it in a vacuum. If you turned your back and said, I'm not, no, I'm not doing anything. Again, if you control the environment, I can't do it as well. It goes back to that fear thing.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
If I started messing up right now, you'd be like, Oh, it's getting awkward. And you would pull back and I wouldn't be in control anymore. So like a lot of what I'm doing is, is I'm, you know, showing you how I can read you, but also you're allowing yourself to be read, right? Right. So like when you're saying count the letters, you can see me counting them. I can see when you're counting.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Who was the other one? Was it John Jones? Who was the other one he trained? Tony Ferguson. Tony, Tony, who's like cardio is through the roof. I mean, Tony was like... That guy, five rounds, it's just insane. Never, never gases out. Yeah. He might have over-trained. He might have. Goggins ran through the washer right there.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I can see when you try to throw me off the count. It's like a poker player. Poker player knows if you really have aces, pocket aces, or you have two, four, and you're bluffing. The best ones do. Hmm. Which brings the question up, why don't I play poker more? Yeah, why don't you play poker? It's just, it's too boring. Like I... That's a grind, man. I'd rather make money doing this.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So he's born in 1930. Oh, and I screwed this up. It was in 1920. So no, the other one's 13 Steps. There's another one by Theodore Anamena. Look at this.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Is it reprinted or is it one of those ones you have to buy? No, it's definitely reprinted. And see, it's since become to be the essential mentalism reference book. But again, you're going to have a big problem because you're going to read that book and if you make it through to the end, which God bless you if you can, you're going to be like, yeah, but how the hell did you do all this stuff?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You're going to get to the end of it and be like, so that's baby steps. And then you've got to like, yeah, get to the next level. Oh, I'm sure.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Psychics. So it's, again, people with psychics want to believe. Anyone who's in that room who paid that money to hear psychic has someone they've lost and they want something with them because there's, you know. Do you believe in any psychic powers at all? So again, I'm not like a debunker because I'm kind of like agnostic in this thing, which is I just believe what I've seen so far.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And in a lot of instances, I've never personally experienced something that I couldn't explain yet. But a lot of people have told me their experiences.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Yeah. So that I know you had her in here, but have you watched the videos? I mean, come on. Yeah, that's wild. No, no. I'm the opposite. I do not think that's real. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, really? No. Why? Tell me about with the videos. So can we show the videos? Well, I don't know if he's got the paywall again.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I don't want to controversial, but they're holding in many instances in that form of communication. The person knows the information is holding the letters. Do you understand what I'm saying? So right now, if I had shown you a word and you're either touching somebody, right, you could get, do you know what a two person code act is? No.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So two person code act is like a mentalist thing with two people. There's a few that are the best in the world. Avacyn's, uh, mine to mine in Dubai, like a few really good ones who've done this. And what they do is they can be blindfolded in a different area and anything you hand to them, anything you say, the other person knows it. No electronics, no nothing.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Yeah. You know. Well, I mean, that's always it, right? Judge a fighter at the prime.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
They just look at your credit card and they'll guess the credit card numbers. And what the way that's being done is they're communicating to each other based on pauses, based on like a million ways that you can't think of. It's the best codec ever without speaking. And you'll watch it and you'll be like, there's no way they're communicating, but they are.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And so it looks like telepathy, but it's not. You get them in the room of scientists. You'll fool every scientist under the sun. What they're doing is like not bulletproof at all with the kids. And again, God bless. If I had a child in that condition, I for not one moment wouldn't want a solution.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And I would want something to know that they're not that they're in there and I could talk to them and I don't want to speak out of turn. But from the videos I've seen, I can explain that in a minute there. They are moving things around and positioning the letters. If you do a double blind study where the person does not know the word. that they're trying to communicate.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I'm not even saying psychic. Just don't tell them the word, the person holding it, and only show the word to the person who should be saying it, right? If you're the autistic child, show them the word so that I see it, and then have them type that word in. And do that for me nine out of ten times. They've not been able to do that. That's not even psychic.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
That's just show me that you can type the word in that you saw. And so when you do a deep dive on that, it's been...
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I don't want to take anyone's hope away. I'm a parent, and again, I don't think they're making money on it. No. I'm very—I don't like to—again, when you ask me psychics, there's people who had real deep experiences, and who is it for me to take that away? But when I watch that, and you're talking to somebody who's a pro at doing this, same as psychics— I can see exactly how that's done.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So again, you're missing it. So that's, again, the devil's in the details. It's the memory, what you remember of the story. Show me how they did that. Did either of the people there present know that language? Who was doing it? And how was that being communicated? Did the end person who's moving the board around know what the meaning of the word was? You understand what I mean? Yes.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So, like, again, you're hearing the CliffsNotes, the end edition. Watch the video and show me something that I can't. There was nothing I saw in that special or in that telepathy tape in the videos that I couldn't readily explain.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So could it be right? Yes. I'm not saying it's not. I'm not. Again, they could be 100 percent right and I could be 100 percent wrong. Hubris.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I haven't been in the room with them. I'm judging simply from videos I've seen. But as someone who is for a living pretending to read people's minds, but I'm actually reading people, I can see how it's being done. The method, it's kind of like a casino boss. I see how that person's cheating when they're playing cards because I know all the cheating methods.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So again, I, I, I heard it. It was unbelievable. Like the podcast was incredible. I don't know. I don't like, I, I, I've heard psychics tell me, people tell me, I saw a psychic, and how do you know that my friend died after we saw a Grateful Dead concert? And I'm like, well, I'm seeing a lot of stuff on you that looks Grateful Dead vibes.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Like if I told you that you're a big Roger Waters fan, you'd be like, how did you know that right now? So for everyone not looking, Joe's wearing a Pink Floyd shirt.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
you can you can figure out a lot of stuff based on cold reading i can see what's the wear on your wedding band how do you behave what are certain things when do you pause at a certain moment about certain things did you lose someone i can tell instantly if you're having a feeling of emotion like anyone good at this and not even great but like good can notice a lot of things like a psychic just watches you so you can kind of tell like what a person's done that day
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Well, I think you can get like you can guide them to what you want, which is when you get a hit. Right. Think of that game when you're a kid. Hot, cold. You hide stuff.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Right. Your brother or sister looks around. They go cold. Do you think I woke up early today or late? I don't know. There's no on-demand feature to the show. There's not? I think you woke up early, though. Really? Yeah. Why do you think that? I don't know. Just based on what you said it? Nope. Nope. Woke up late. Good. I got it wrong. I'm happy. I'm happy. You'll be like, we screwed this guy.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
My buddy Lewis Howes had. I saw that on my social. He found one. Really? I think so. Whoa. That's fucking super valuable. With millions.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I was going to get it out, but I'll do it later as a gift. Is it later?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
No, I swear. I swear. I thought I would have it out, but no. You thought you'd have it out, but you don't want to have it out? Not the right fit. What do you mean? I was going to do something. You had a lot of books here, and I thought we'd get a book, but I don't think I'm going to do it. Just doesn't feel right. No. What feels wrong? Self-curate. I don't know. It's not going to work.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You could say it now since we're not going to do it. The goal to get it to work was I thought I had some sort. I thought I know if I get you to get a book. We have less books in this room. We have books in that room. I just. I don't know. I brought it in. I always have a backup plan. Plan ABC. And this one's not meant for this one. This one might be if I ever come back and do another JRE.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
That's a great idea. Yeah. We'll put it in the safe. Put it in the safe. I'll never touch it again.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
If you right now got the best two person codec in the world in here, they would do nothing. She would literally be in another. She could be 100 feet away behind this person's back because she's touching and touching, moving. I mean, like those are for letters. You only have 26 options. Do you have any idea what this is right there?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Somebody effective right now, just this right now and pausing and before they say a word could have given you a full credit card number.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Moving him. Like if you could, if you can, how do you compress data? Right. Like if you do hexadecimal or ASCII, you could take a 16 digit number and break it down into three letters. So you see the movie The Martian?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Great movie, right? Another Matt Damon reference. Yeah. Love Matt Damon, by the way.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I love that guy. I love him. He's awesome. Met him a couple times. Love him. As nice as you'd expect. So if you can, in that movie, in The Martian, he didn't know how to send data because he only had the camera. So he shows a thing where he figured out how to take and compress big things into small. What's the easiest way? You can make it very small so you can send information in a certain way.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Again, I don't want to blow anyone's cover, but there is absolutely, when I see that, I know exactly how it's being done. But I don't know if she's doing it on purpose. I think they've just learned each other's rhythms. And that's an agent. Oh, OK. You know, like you got to have her in a different room. Right, right, right.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
He cross-trains, though. I mean, the dude, like, the pull-up record, his hands. Cam Haineson, right? Truett, I just saw that. Man, what a stud that kid is. I've been watching. Chip off the old block. I follow him. He is... I've never met him, but, man, he's... He's great. That consistency and that putting that together and, yeah, very impressive. I don't know. Like, I...
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
clearly but the other videos I don't know they're behind a paywall you have to get to them that's it that's the sneaky biz everyone that sees the paywall I had a couple sent to me and I'm like because people ask me this and they were like what do you think man and I listened to all the tapes I thought it was amazing it got a little wild at the end if you got to the end like the hill and that and you want to believe who doesn't want to believe that there's psychics amongst us and especially kind of like the superhero story of all
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
These are kids who nobody thought was in there and they're really in there and they're communicating with each other. It's, I mean, I don't know.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Just super simple. Have a mentalist and maybe a scientist involved. And a mentalist is better than a scientist because scientists, they can watch me and they'll be like, I don't know how he's doing it. Right. We're designed. We're literally, it's like get a card sheet to beat other card sheets. Right. So get me involved.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And then let's do the same thing. And I'm going to say, here are the three things I need you to do different. And I'm not going to say how you're doing it, but do it with these three things. And if you do that, I'm convinced.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Yeah. But the problem is that there's very little to gain from that. And then also, we got bad energy in the room. Right. That's the whole thing. Did you ever see when Uri Geller was debunked by the amazing Randy on Johnny Carson? And he couldn't bend the spoons. And he goes, I can't do it with him here. He's got bad energy.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And it's like, you know, is it bad energy or is this a guy who knows how you're bending the spoons? Right. And so every time you're about to do a move, he's like a SOB. He's like, stop right there. Don't move your hand. Keep the spoon right there. No, no, don't look away. It's like my nightmare. Right.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
No, no. You could do it with real spoons. I could do it with any spoon. Yeah? Yeah. And you could bend it with your mind? I mean, again, I don't want to knock it, but that's more of a... It's not really... It's not a psychic power. That falls more into the category of a magic trick, where... You're misdirecting people. You're doing something else where I'm not really bending a spoon with my mind.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
There's not supernatural powers involved. I can't lie to you and say that. I'm doing it in such a way where you don't know the method, and it's layered, but it's sure going to look like it's bending by itself, but it's not.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I hope it's contagious, but I enjoy watching reactions. Yeah, clearly. That's the rush, right? Yeah. Do you not love laughs? Of course, yeah. You ever go into a room and nobody's laughing and you just bomb and you just eat it? It's like.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And you're doing a lot of sets at the Mothership, I assume?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And how much do you get allowances? What's the clock for being Joe Rogan before it's like, oh, no, let's just see if you're funny as a person? Where does that end? You got to be funny pretty quick.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Right. Yeah. I did. This is funny. So I used to go to the comedy cellar. I told you I love comedy, like aficionado. I lived in the village for, I don't know, years. And this is pre-kids, a lot more time. We used to go to the cellar when you could get in the cellar like that. Now, good luck. Right. And we would see just everybody over and over. And I think you met him on Mike Vecchione. Sure.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So good, man. Great guy. So great guy. Amazing. Super funny. And he went on on a night where it was just like dropping, dropping, dropping. And he had to follow Seinfeld. And Seinfeld goes on and just hammers it. And then Mike Vecchione comes on. And you know the bathroom in the cellar, right? Which is about the size of like a quarter of this table.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
where you're touching arms when you're taking a leak next to some dude. I went in there and I was quite drunk and I'll never forget this. I've worked with Mike since and I was telling him, dude, you probably don't remember me, but I was such a drunk idiot and we were touching arms while we're peeing and I always felt bad about this. I'm so drunk. I'm like, dude, forget Seinfeld. You killed it.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
He's like, stop talking to me while we're peeing, dude. I had crossed that threshold. And I tried to ask him, I'm like, because we did a gig together. And he opened for me and I was like, do you, is there any chance you remember? He's like, dude, so many drunk idiots have been next to me at the cell or telling me stuff.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I'm like, the night where you dropped, you know, that, that trying to see if you remember it. Right. And I wanted to apologize for it because I felt so bad. And I'm like, I was talking to you while you're pissing. And dude, I just loved you so much. And he didn't even know this moment. But I'm like, I've been holding this weight for a while, Mike, and I'm a big fan.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And I'm sorry I talked to you while we both had our dicks out. It was not okay.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
There's a line in the sand that I have just crossed, brother. That's hilarious. And he forgot about it. He didn't know, dude. I mean, it's like when I have gigs where people come back to me and three years later, like, dude, do you remember this thing? And I go, of course I do. Yes. No, most of the time you don't remember. You try. I remember the best and the worst, man.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I remember some moments where I've bombed so bad that it is seared in your DNA. You know that feeling? Oh, yeah. And it's usually ones where you're not to blame, but the buck stops here. You know what I'm saying? Sure. Like where the setup is terrible, the outdoor gig. I had one where, God, it was like the town of Charlotte or some town hired me, some city. And I had to...
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Insert all these data points about the city. And we're like, normally we do two or three things. I will mention two or three things in the course of a show. And if it's 10 minutes, forget it. It's I don't want to be a salesperson up there. People tune out if they're like, what are you selling me something right now? Right. And I had to say eight or nine things about the town of was it Charlotte?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And at the last moment, we do dress rehearsal and go, by the way, we're all dressing as genies. And we're going to have a life-size genie lamp on stage. And it's going to start doing smoke while you're doing this. I'm like, I don't really like any of these things. But I was newer to showbiz. I'm like, I go with it. The whole time I'm on stage, the smoke is going. Like at 100%. We're coughing.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And then I saw his thing, which was a flex, which reminded me of something I did, which was like one of the highlight moments of my running career, which is he goes, I got another personal best in the same week at a marathon. So I one time did two marathons a week apart, like six days apart. I did a New Jersey marathon. I won it.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
It's going terrible. I can't see the person whose mind I'm reading. I'm sweating. I'm trying to talk about the Billy Graham Museum. I'm dying a slow death up there. I get two things in a row wrong. And you know, if you bomb your opener... And you're closer, like you're dead. I left apologizing. You never want to leave a stage. They somehow still loved it.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I don't even know how, but I sweated through that suit. It was like, I, you know, when you question what you're doing in life, that was like a, I'm like, maybe I'm not supposed to be doing this.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Kind of, but me, I'm more catastrophized, and I'm like, yeah, I should just be done. But then I came back. I came back. I picked myself up. Yeah, funny enough, tomorrow's one of my daughter's fifth birthday, and I'm doing a show at school for five-year-olds.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Wow. Yeah, man, I got to get back. But sweetheart, this is like the sweet spot where they still think I'm cool. That's cool. Before I'm going to be like, don't do this and embarrass us, dad. Right. And last year for my oldest son, who was at the time I just turned eight, I did his school second graders and dude, they ate me alive.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Because I'm not doing this. Like this is, you know, my sweet spot is mentalism. I had to brush off the dust of my kids show, which I haven't touched in like 25 years. Thank God I'm not doing kids shows anymore. No offense to kids show magicians, but like that ship has sailed. And man, second graders are ruthless. Really?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Because I don't know, man. Like one kid, I finish this show. Okay. And during the show, my wife is in the room recording. I'm like, don't record. And I had I had to like look at my wife at one point and I'm whispered Because one kids like it's in your hand show me that show me that and I'm like dude And I'm not good at it. I haven't done it in a while, right?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So I'm just bombing on tricks and thankfully 95% of the crowd actually liked it It was just these two kids who just got me When I went home one of my neighbors saw me and he goes to me goes. Oh my god. Oh What's wrong? Are you okay? Because my face was like ash and white. He thought somebody died. And I'm like, dude, I don't even know what to say right now. Maybe I shouldn't be doing this.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I had to at one point tell the teacher, I'm like, I actually do this for a living. I feel like I had to try to flex. I'm like, I have an Emmy. I wanted to let them know I'm not actually this bad.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And then the next week I did a Long Island marathon, and I got clipped by some college runner who beat me in the last quarter of a mile. Damn, you won a marathon? I won that one four times in a row, yeah.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
The best comedians, the pacing, the rhythm. I was watching a Tom Segura special this morning. I don't know how well you know his material. I mean, you know him well. But he had a bit about flying first class. Do you remember that one? I don't. He talks about, I don't think he's using this material anymore, the fact that he gets upgraded. He buys coach tickets. It was early. It was years ago.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And he gets upgraded so much that he gets first class tickets. And he goes, should I not say this bit? I don't know if I want to take his bit. And he goes, literally the moment I get upgraded, this feeling of superiority washes over me. Where I'm like, don't when people walk in, don't look at me, you poor piece of shit.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Like he's just so he goes, I dare you if you're in coach to try to use my bathroom. If I'm in the front, I will put my hand on your chest, bro. It's I've seen that a hundred times and it's just as funny, if not funnier every time I watch it. And it's like the timing, the rhythm. I, I learned more from comedy than ever magic or mentalism.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Right. And also when you bring someone along and when you have that, like just you drop just amazing line, like just there's so many. I mean, listen, I consume so much comedy, but like I love watching the rhythm, seeing where people go with it. The people that are more short form, like punch delivery. Right. Versus like a long form, like a Nate Bargatze, like watching Andrew do his things.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Shawl's amazing. Man, some of these guys are just like, you can't see where the joke is going to come and how you just squeeze every bit of juice out of the orange and the good callbacks.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Oh, like Sebastian Maniscalco. I just frigging love watching Sebastian. There's so many people that came up now that I've seen over and over and over to watch them go up. Like Sam Murillo, I've been a fan of for years.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You just thought of it. You shouldn't have let down your guard. I just knew it. How'd you know? That was it. That was the moment. What did you see? I can't tell you. Right when you said this friend of mine, I knew you were going to protect your parks. And I said, could it have been Ari? Could it have been Mark?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Yeah, I love Goggins, but every race we've run against each other, I beat him. Well, you have two knees.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And I immediately knew it was going to be Shane Gills because neither of those two would have said, definitely not Mark, would have said, kill him. He's a witch. I just knew it. Yep. That's Shane Gills.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You said 100%, so now I'm thinking he must live in Austin. There was a lot of indicators. Yeah. Whatever.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I'm not psychic. So everybody, when people put me on the spot and, like, tell me this right now, I literally go, it's not Netflix, it's an on-demand feature. Like, I, again, that's where these skills, when people are like, why don't you win the lottery? Why don't you, like, all these things that are silly where you don't get what I do, apparently. Yeah.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I think there's, I mean, listen, that's like a bigger picture question. Like, you know, where does your mind expand? Like psychedelics, like where, what is there beyond this plane that clearly, you know, people are aware of? It'd be silly to think, but... how do you kind of get on that frequency? There's no question that people have an intuition. Again, could I call it psychic powers?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I've had things happen that I can't explain to you based on the skills I have. Does that make sense? Like what? Well, I've guessed things from people where I didn't do the normal way I do it. Do you understand what I mean? Like I normally have a, there's a series of steps. on how I do it, kind of like a chess player.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You get a chess player, you get Magnus Carlsen, you get the best chess player in the world, they can literally blindfold, play 30 people, and I'm like, how are you doing that, right? That's like magic to me. But you're keeping track of all that stuff in your mind, and you're doing stuff that is indistinguishable from real magic, in my opinion. But you've hyper-focused on one skill.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
That's what I've done. You just think it's a lot of skills. What I've focused on is one thing, is reality.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Assessing what people are thinking and what they give away that they don't think they're giving away That's all I just guess secret information for a living but to make it exciting entertaining I add bells and whistles and make it interesting Otherwise be boring how many mentalists are out there because there are community guys you share notes sure so I there's like a I wouldn't call it a brain trust but there's people I bounce ideas off of when I'm creating kind of like you'd punch up jokes and
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
One year at the New York City Marathon. I want to remember this. I got 30th place, but at my shows, I tell people I was the fastest Jew. That's all that mattered. That's all. Fastest Jew. All that mattered. That's super impressive that you win marathons. Well, I won that one. And then six days later, six or seven, I did this other one. And I got beat by this kid who was like 22.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Where they're here's what's rare in our world. There's creators and then there's performers. Do you know what I'm saying? Like writers and it's like singer songwriters. How many people have their songs written for them?
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And how many are like Taylor Swift style where you write and this and you get a piece of you in it.
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And there's something about when you write your own song. I'm not knocking people that don't write their own song, but there's something that you feel different.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I freaking love a Backstreet Boys song. Don't get me wrong. How dare you. I want it that way, Joe. But like when you are with her and I'm sure like Jack Antonoff, she has a huge, amazing crew of writers that I'm sure get things out of her. And I know a lot of like music producers, but you feel some connection. So what, again, I think is differentiating.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
There's a lot of mentalists, but it's a really small number that are the singer-songwriter, the creator-performer who have the thoughts and are constantly doing new stuff. Because we are a cover band. Most mentalists are a cover band of other mentalists. We don't need to do new stuff. You could literally do the same thing. This is pretty amazing.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I could do this for the next 40 years and make a good living. God bless. And why do new stuff? Like when Louis CK was popping out three specials a year, everyone was like, why are you doing this to all the rest of us? You're so creative. You don't have to. And in our profession, you really don't have to because you don't have to bury material.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
If I'm not putting stuff online, if I'm not going like crowd work, the Matt Reif model, who, by the way, I love that guy. But like it changed the game. Now, if you want to blow up on social, you've got to be doing this or do current events, do topical, do things you can burn. But I can't put my real act out there. Right, right, right. But you enjoy the creative aspect. I love it. I find it boring.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
There's way less mentalists and there's way more magicians and then of the group of Mentalists if you were to do the core one and again, this is not subjective I'm much more like objected the way we looked at names how many of them have done?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
certain volume of TV appearance certain volume of views like which ones are getting the attention of the world and the zeitgeist it's a very very small number because You got to innovate right? This is like an attention economy. You have to do stuff. That's compelling to the viewer and for me I don't think about myself. It's a trick in life. I think about who's watching.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
What do you mean by it's a trick in life? It helps you in everything in life. My secret sauce is that I hold the mirror up not to myself, but to you. Do you get it? When you're watching and you're watching a football thing, Right. What's intriguing is the fact that you're a football viewer. If you're meeting somebody and you want to be memorable, learn more about them. Start listening more.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I don't care how old I was, 30s. And he beat me and he fell and collapsed at the finish. And I'm like, again, I'm pretty fresh. And he goes, oh, my God, man. He goes, is that your personal best? And I'll never forget looking in his eyes. And this guy's wrecked. And I go... Bro, that's not my personal best this week. And it was just the most fulfilling thing to say for not having won.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I'll tell you a story. I met Steven Spielberg. I did Steven Spielberg's dad's birthday. And I got in that room. Have you met Steven Spielberg?
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And I'm like, you know, a crazy fan. Like, I can't explain to you how many movies he had as a kid that were life changing. I'm like, dude, Close Encounters, Third Kind. Yeah, he's one of the greatest of all time. Ever. Yeah. And so I'm in the room. I've done stuff for his family. This is not like a big blowout corporate event. It's like 80 people. Hope he doesn't mind me sharing this.
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And it was a great time. Amazing. And at the end of it, I'm like getting some FaceTime with Spielberg. And I walk up to him, and we spent almost 20 minutes talking to each other, which is like, I didn't expect that. I thought he'd be like, oh, great job. Do you know how many questions? I had a million questions. Do you know how many questions I asked him? How many? Zero. Really? Zero.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And that's like right there. I learned a lesson in life that applies to everything. That's why Steven Spielberg. He is naturally curious. This guy, wealthy beyond belief, stories beyond belief. He could make it ego driven and he could have been telling me, oh, this and I would have been hanging on my every word. But instead, he wanted to know more about me. And he kept asking me.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I was like, just pause, dude. I have like a lot of questions. Like, come on! And so I learned, and I could have just left that and been like, fuck it, I didn't get any questions in with Steven Spielberg, but instead I realized this is the person at the highest level of what he does, and he is naturally curious, and he lets other people shine, and this is something to do in life.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Which is, you don't know when you meet somebody who they'll be, or what they'll be, or what can, I'm not doing it from a transactional sense, But why I've had so many TV appearances is when I go into a place, I'm going to do stuff for the security guard. I'm going to do something for the person who irons my shirt.
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I'm going to leave that place like a bomb went off of amazement where everyone around there now likes you. And you don't know when they'll jump ship to another network, to another thing. And if they like you, sales 101, they're going to want to keep doing business with you. And so those people become your champions elsewhere.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And it's kind of a lesson where he could have talked about himself the whole time. He didn't. Interesting. So I shouldn't either. When you go to other places, let other people shine. And that's something I've carried with me. And I think that's a superpower in life that most people don't do. They think, what am I going to say next?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Question. And then he had like, he, but he was interesting because I don't know if you get this, but I get like X, like the 20 questions is what I call it. Yeah. Which is how'd you get into this? Like the opening questions, which you can't blame someone. If you've got a weird job. Right. People want to know about it. Right. Like, uh, did somebody in your family do this?
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But I'd run literally a week earlier faster. So that was a great moment.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Like there's all these questions you're going to get every time. God bless people. I don't hold it against them. Mine is always, I'm doing like a sound check for a gig. And then there was like, all right, so we got this, we got this. I go, don't you know that we have that? Like, ah, you know, I'm like, okay, so just real quick, where's the green room? Like, you don't know already?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And I'm like, okay, this is... This is getting silly. I just smile, and I'm like, you know, I never heard that one before, but it's... You get that. Yeah. But in this situation, again, it's like he didn't ask those questions. He was... very uniquely finding questions that weren't like the usual.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
He did beat me. True. First loser. That's a weird flex. Yeah.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So you were a stockbroker? I wasn't technically a stockbroker. I worked on Wall Street, but I did tech. What did you do on Wall Street? So I went to school for electrical engineering and then worked like, I don't know, the tech guys who supported the iBankers.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I sure as hell get my phone out and try and get good footage for a change. I'm like, right here, good stuff. I like the tic-tac and gimbal, but I want to see it close up and high def. I know. You got anything off air? Nothing. You got something?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Oh, you don't have to be off air. I've watched these. I can read people. I can tell.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Something smells. Something feels weird. I told Jamie when I walked in here, and I said, this is, again, passing the sniff test, and pardon my French, but everyone takes a crap, right? Everyone in the world. I don't care if you're the Pope. You take a crap. So if they're being held in a facility, someone's taking craps.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And who's cleaning it? I don't think the scientists are. There's a janitor. There's someone in that room. So are you telling me that there's nobody in there that's got a 401k, health insurance, some sort of... How is someone not getting...
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Tell me, explain to me what NDA they're signing or what they're doing, that if they found this out, someone, loose lips sink ship, somebody would have told somebody who works in that facility who's not the scientist, who's not the military person, and word gets out. How is that buttoned up tight where nothing gets out ever?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Well... For 50 years, you're telling me there's a basement somewhere in this country, eight stories down, where they've got... Those things that no one else knows who's credible and can release it. How? Occam's razor. What do you think?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You think it's siloed? It's just siloed. Nobody knows all the info.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You run from Athens to Sparta. This race is amazing. You ever seen the 300 with Gerard Butler? Sure. So that's the story. A couple of crazy dudes in the 80s decided that they're going to recreate where he ran, Pheidippides, to deliver the message.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And then how did you get involved in this mentalist thing? This mentalist thing, right? What a weird thing. So when I was a teenager, I started doing magic tricks. So I saw a guy on a cruise ship and I'd never seen really a magician. I wasn't into it, didn't know about it, didn't have a kid's party magician when I was a kid. And I was obsessed. Literally, I was on a cruise.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Yeah, you had, it was Christopher Melanon, right? And that was my favorite one. Because he had, I think, I don't want to butcher it, but I think he called it ultra-terrestrial. It makes the most sense, which is, think about right now if you just drop the bottle in the ocean, right? What are the odds you ever run into that bottle in the ocean? It's impossible. That's what time is.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
If we've been around for 13 billion years, sure, there's aliens, but how do you, we've only been around for a few thousand. Like it's such an infant. It's a grain of sand in the whole beach. So what if you, what would you do right now? If we had technology a thousand years from now, 2000 years from now, right? AI multiply it out the whole nine. What would you do?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I followed this guy around the cruise ship. It was a little bit stalker-esque. And there's not that many places to hide if you're a grown man. So I was finding this guy everywhere to just see more tricks. And I got back home and I bought every book I could at Borders. I went to the library. I was obsessive. I'm kind of those types of people who...
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You'd send these things everywhere. Sure. Just like sci-fi and you'd plant them and you'd come out every now and again and check what's up.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So that's – I don't – my likeliest thing is I don't think there's any biological beings or aliens. I think you've just got automated drones in essence that are running patterns that have some sort of – like I don't know. That makes way more sense.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I don't do anything 80%, 90% given the running today. It's like 120%. Wow. And that was the thing for about, I don't know, 20 years. It was more I was doing magic. I was always doing magic on the side. I paid for college doing magic. Really? Run a couple of businesses. Yeah. What did you do? Like do shows? So I graduated high school when I was 16. I like skipped a grade, all this.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Well, it's Schrodinger's cat, right? Does it happen if you don't observe it? That's the weird thing about quantum physics, right? It's completely, you can't imagine it, but if you don't open that box, nothing's happened yet. It hasn't happened until you observe it.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Which is like, what? Some of the stuff when you read that, like I've read books about string theory, about quantum physics. It's too hard to process in the real world when you're like the table, but the table is actually empty space. There's almost nothing in it solid.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Every atom, I don't even know what the numbers are, like Neil deGrasse Tyson, but how small is the nucleus and the actual physical items out of it? They're empty.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Just an incredible... Michael slept one night, and that's why Purple Rain exists. Did you know that? Little Red Corvette was going to have a totally different meaning with Michael Jackson. Isn't that crazy? Too soon? God might give them to Prince. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Well, songs are interesting like that. You know, I met last year I was in Sweden. I did this conference. Brilliant minds. Amazing.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And I met Max Martin. Do you know who that is? No. Max Martin is you should look this up how many hits he has. So Max Martin has, I think, more number one hits than anyone but Paul McCartney. Check that if I'm right. But I got there. There's so many interesting people's amazing conference. And I was ready to geek out with him because I'm just so curious.
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It's the creative, like how does somebody come up with something is fascinating to me. And one of his recent songs was Blinding Lights by The Weeknd. You know, I want just such a massive hit. And I just, I love that song. And I just like, just like perfect. Sounds like a movie track in my mind. And how did you do that? Like how, you know, where did you start? Did you guys have a beat?
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Did you know the lyrics? Like, I'm just so curious. How does that happen? Is it like in 10 minutes? Is it months? And he just walked me through like... he had a vision. We have this, we have like all this stuff that we sit down and then the first, the music, then I'm like, just wow.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And then my folks got divorced. Long story. Yeah. They moved back to Israel. I was born in Israel. So separately moved back to Israel. So I was a bit of a, I guess, I don't know, an adult. Like I had nobody supporting me. So when I went to college, I turned 17. I had to pay all the bills.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
It's so amazing to create something like that, that a billion people now listen to number one in every country in the world. It's like, how do you manufacture something so kind of perfect that everyone in the world likes it?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Uh, and is there a form that you know, it's going to be the hit before it is the hit. That to me is the most like how many bands get stuck for the rest of their life playing a song that they fricking hate, that they didn't know was going to be there. Uh, Especially if you're a one-hit wonder, you're like dead in the eyes. You're like, I got to play this again. I got to, you know, come on, Eileen.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Oh, and then they start singing it a different way at a concert. And you're like, why are you doing this weird acapella, bro? I want to hear it like the radio.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Exactly. I have that a little bit where if I get clients who book me over and over, I say to them, do you want me to do something different? Because it's like jokes. Right. It's like I've seen Gaffigan. Are you going to do Hot Pockets? People call it out and I want to hear it. But you know the punchline. Right, right, right. Something that especially you're known for.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So I found that if I did a completely different show, People are kind of mad. I don't have exit surveys, but I kind of listen in and see what's going on. I wish he did that one. Bon Jovi has got to do living on a prayer at every game or people are pissed. For me, I need at least two of the things to be the same because people want to see if they can catch it the second time. Got it.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So there's a level of they heard about it and they're like, oh, you got to do that thing with the thing. And so if I do everything new, yeah, they're kind of happy, but they still want a greatest hit. And it took me years to learn that because I used to be like, oh, I can't do the same thing. I got to be unique. And then I learned that that's not better.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I think they could, but again, it's the best analogy that I can give you is a director holding the camera. I'm always holding the camera and pointing it at what I want. Does that make sense? What police interrogator is going to say, okay, to the perp, think of where you were that night. Look this way. Look that way. They're not going to do all that stuff.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Yeah. So I had I was doing magic at restaurants. I've been doing magic at restaurants for like 30 years. And that's where I learned how to read people, just how to go up to a table of people who are like. Who's this twerp? Like, who's this nerdy kid with braces? Like, what are you doing here? Get out of here. And how do you win them over quickly?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
stuff this is done when it's done under the guise of entertainment and if they do do that you're kind of leading the witness you could lead whatever people are gonna it's not a it's not a show so you're not gonna have a willing participant you can't be hypnotized against your will most stage hypnotists they do compliance testing first do you know what i mean by that they have everyone in the audience hold your hands together and imagine and like and like who can't get their hands apart and the person who goes like this right away they're like i'm not bringing them on stage they're not doing anything
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You have to be able to be hypnotized. You have to be suggestible. Mine isn't necessarily suggestible, but mine is a maze where every time you hit a roadblock, I'm moving you around until I get you to the spot where you go through. And so that's why you asked me why I didn't do this. It wasn't going to work. I knew it wouldn't. I have more things planned than you know right now.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I've been thinking about this for a while, but I'm not going to do them all. Because again, how you structure an act, you leave the best for last. You never leave here doing the best in the middle.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Wow, this goes fast, huh? Flew by. Remember when you asked me, did I wake up early or late?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
The only thing I got wrong. Right. Right? Except, well, he said the vowel, but he thought of melody, but the Y was the, you know what I mean? That was a little bit tricky because A-E-I-O-U. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Here's what I want to do. You said 50-50, coin flip. Okay. And I brought one. You said, who has coins? What do we got here? A coin. What is it? Kendi half, right?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
All right, let's go. I feel like one is not exciting enough. That's like a football game. Here's what I do. I don't know if you can see me from over there. Let's do three tosses. Okay. Statistically, how many we get right. Two? One and a half. All right. All right. Either way. Call it in the air. Okay. Can you see me over there? I'm going to try. The table's real busy. Okay. Call it in the air.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Tails. You're going tails? Yeah. What do we get? Heads. All right. All right. Whatever. O for one. Okay. Did you feel good about it when you did it? No. Okay. Should I really put it in my head? No. Do whatever. I mean, it's a coin flip. It's not a trick. Okay. Now it gets in your head because you guessed it and you're like, fuck, it didn't work the first time, but nobody cares.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
There's nothing riding on this. You're already called in the air. What are you going with? Tails. You're going tails again? Yeah. You're going tails again? Yep. I can't. See, that time I would never change. It's heads. 0 for 2? All right, all right. Third time's the charm. Okay. You think you got it? Yep. What are the odds on that? So this has got to be your shot. Call it. Tails. Tails?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And that's honestly the biggest skill is how do you in sales read people effectively? Right. That's what I'm selling. I'm selling the thought of reading your mind. Now, did you learn the techniques from books? Did you take classes? No classes. Books and videos. Did magic. And so mentalism is kind of a field. Like you had David Blaine in here, right? Legend. Yeah. Man, growing up, like, icon.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I was going tails never fails. What do we get, Joe? You're 0 for 3. Heads again. You're 0 for 3. You done? Nope. You want one more? Sure. You insist? Yeah. All right. You're not done. I said three. Okay. Should I go over here? Has that envelope been there the whole time? This envelope? Yes. We sealed this the moment I arrived at the studio.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You're going to get it this time, just for the record. Okay. Tails. Tails?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Did I do it? You said it. What is it? It's heads. But that didn't count. That's five in a row.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
But this doesn't count because this one's yours. Whoops.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Put it anywhere. Do it on the table. I just didn't have room on the table.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
But did you guess tails? Yeah. Oh, okay. I just kept going. I feel like it's got to be tails eventually. It's not a trick. It's statistical. All right. But statistically, five in a row of heads, it seems odd. I said to you, I hope everyone stayed along for this journey. I said, this is your future. This is my future. Right? But I lied. Past, present, and future. Oh, my God. Now, hold on.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I'm going to come over there. Open it up. You'll see what I mean. But I want you to open it up. There's two things in there. Now, freeze right there.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Well, one's not an envelope. Well, one's a folded piece of paper. Folded piece of paper.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Where am I? Is the camera here? This is Mike, but I have the...
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Okay, you tell me. Okay. I'll go around you. I just want to make sure you can see this.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I want you to look inside. And before you grab it, no, no, no. Look, look, look, look, look. Okay, I'm looking. And tell me. You see it says two words. Can I turn this around? It says Joe Rogan. It says Joe Rogan. And I don't want to touch. Will you do it? I don't want to touch. Grab that one, that pink one out.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And read to us. Grab that. That's your pass. Hold on to this. Okay. Read out loud. That's been in there from before we started. Okay.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
You can't change that. The past. Joe, take out what's in there. Tell us all. Look around the edges. It's stapled. I usually used to lick stuff. Do this. Bring this over. I don't want to touch. I just want you to look around. It's stapled. When I walked in here, Joe, I made a big thing of it. I said, I want you to have this before. Sealed. It's been here the whole time. Sealed. Yes.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Impulsive, spontaneous, in the moment. Got it. And I said to you, did something get in your head? Who earlier, when I said any fighter you've ever seen, what fighter came to mind?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
How many fighters did you say cycled through your head? And I said, be very specific. How many fighters do you think cycled through your head?
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Did he say a dozen? You said 14. Read. Please open that up. Take that out. And I want you to please read what's been in there from the moment I walked on this set.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Past, present, future. The other piece of paper. There's one that's got... That's literally insane.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Grab the other piece of paper. It's got a paper clip. Freeze right there. This is the future. Stop, stop. Don't move. Hold it right there in your hand. Okay, I'm holding it. Nobody knows the future. Nobody knows the future. It's true. Nobody does. Imagine right now. Best magic trick in the world. Boom. I throw a smoke bomb. Disappear. Disappear. Disappear.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So magic tricks are different because magic is there's a sleight of hand, right? So you're deceiving your eye by making you look different. at the wrong place at the right time when I do a move. And I can practice that move over and over and over until I get it perfect so that when I perform for you, it works, right? Okay. Stand-up comedy, the most pure art form, right? You and a mic. That's it.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Anyone ever, someone famous though, otherwise I want to see my grandma again, appears right here instead. Imagine you literally, I don't want Jamie to do it, but you pull up a photo, you show me this person's photo. Got it. Say it. Who do you see right there in that chair? Say it. What's their name? Miles Davis. Can I ask you a question? Yes. Because I like this. Here's what I always like to do.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I always call it the grass is greener. I can see when people's eyes shift. When they have one person and they're like, I want that person. But that's the front of their mind. I can always get in the front. But for this to be a legendary ending, who is in the back? Who is the person you thought of before Miles Davis? Tell us. Muhammad Ali. Muhammad Ali, right? That's what I love. The gold standard.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
The reason you're going to talk about this for years is because you changed your mind at the last moment. That's been in there from when I walked in here. Look at what's in there right now.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Yeah, off camera. Tell you everything. You show me where Bob Lazar's hiding the UFO. I wish I knew.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
This you keep. This you keep. You lock in the safe for when I come next time. Assume the clothes.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Thank you. It's fucking nuts, man. Change your bank pin code right now. Change it.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
I appreciate you, man. It was a lot of fun. I'm a huge fan for many years, and I love what you're putting out in the world, and I'm telling you, I love it, and thank you so much. I'm honored to be here.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Mine is the closest. Magic, you have props. Mentalism, there's no props. Like I don't need you to pick a card anymore. I don't need it. I can just tell you think of a card and that's where I go with it. So now you start knowing how people think and you in essence reverse engineer the human mind. It's kind of like magic of the mind.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
Because in that movie, you remember 300 Spartans defended against the Persian masses, and they frame it as the difference between us having civilization and not. Had those 300 guys not died while they assembled an army and he delivered that message to King Leonidas? So when you finish this race, if you finish, it's one of the hardest races in the world. There's bad water.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
And so that's where it kind of went from magic and I kept doing more of the mentalism, more of it. But mentalism has a very steep learning curve. If you go do an open mic and you suck, how many people get to the level of getting better, getting better, putting in the work, takes 10 years to be funny for most people. Right. There's a couple of phenoms, but that's a different story.
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#2332 - Oz Pearlman
So most mentalists, they drop off because I'm just going to go back to magic tricks. This works every time. Hmm. So it's more difficult to learn.