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Instead, it was a scrappy upstart.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I forget the name of this company.

How do you pronounce that?

And in the reporting around this very obscure startup, it was made clear that, of course, Ted Sarandos, the leader of said company, had also met personally with Donald Trump in an attempt to woo him and sort of set the stage because this is, again, transactionally, what you do because, spoiler alert, at least for now, it works.

Yeah.

Did you have a thought, Joe, when you saw, like, Netflix?

Oh, Netflix is... Because they came kind of out of nowhere.

I would like both of you guys to give a sense of just like what, for people who aren't fluent in just like the ecosystem, the food chain of Hollywood, what is Netflix relative to everything else now?

Just to give a sense of just like where they are in the hierarchy of who is running things right now in entertainment.

I mean, the thing that I think about all of the time is whether this is any good for people who want to consume or watch or enjoy anything.

Imagine if Fred Flintstone was also a character in the Red Notice cinematic universe.

I do want to bring it back to David Ellison and the Ellisons, by the way, on that note, because one of the funny things that these, again, literal richest people in the world are being reduced to because they thirst for content, which is a synonym, not to be so grandiose about it, but for our culture, right?

Is that David Ellison is texting David Zaslav, who is another big character in this story.

He's the

the guy running Warner Brothers Discovery, which contains many things, including CNN, which is also floating in the geopolitical stew that Joe is describing, as well as HBO.

David Zaslav, who you may recall from the time he clearly bought a Knicks cap and wore it courtside, having never worn seemingly a cap before in his life.

What David Ellison texted David Zaslav was, quote, have you guys seen this text exchange?

This is according to the Financial Times, and...