Menu
Sign In Search Podcasts Libraries Charts People & Topics Add Podcast API Blog Pricing

Pablo Torre

πŸ‘€ Speaker
See mentions of this person in podcasts
42856 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

But the estimations of how much

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

the piff has lost on Liv.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

Is there a back of the envelope math that you feel like makes sense?

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

Oh, yeah.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

So the reason I wanted to bring Alan Shipnuck, our journalist friend, back on the show is not to just throw dirt on the apparent grave of live golf, the subject Alan literally wrote the book about and has covered as closely as anybody.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

I wanted to have Alan back on because by understanding how boring old golf became this geopolitical soap opera, I suspect that we might find something out about the future of sports in general.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

Because when Liv first launched, the premise of spending $5 billion in less than five years was not an indictment.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

It was an advertisement.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

This is what Saudi Arabia can do.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

That was what was so eye-opening as much as anything.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

The Saudi sovereign wealth fund, the PIF, the public investment fund, at the discretion of Yassir al-Rumayyan, who was the head of it, but above him, of course, Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince, deploying their sum total of...

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

about $900 billion that they had to distribute.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

And they chose the PGA Tour, the most country club traditionalist sports organization in America, arguably, as their first big project.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

But at some point late last year, it began to look like Saudi Arabia's unlimited budget, which had reportedly also guaranteed $125 million to Bryson DeChambeau, for instance,

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

might actually have limits after all.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

And by the end of February, President Donald Trump, the golfer-in-chief himself, who was scheduled to host two live events at his courses this year, also decided to do this.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

Liv's executives tried to dismiss Saudi Arabia's collateral financial damage from the war as just a flesh wound.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

But in April, the Saudi Public Investment Fund finally presented its new five-year plan, a plan which focused on, quote, maximizing financial returns and strengthening investment efficiency.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

sounding more like McKinsey than the money waterfall that would eternally keep sports properties in America going up and to the right.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
It's the End of LIV Golf as We Knew It (and Trump Feels Fine)

In fact, this plan ultimately reduced Saudi Arabia's international investments by 10%, at which point I started monitoring what the sports industry was thinking about the war in Iran.