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And in defense of Riley Gaines here, coming in fifth in the NCAA Division I National Women's Swimming Championship is a big deal if you're a college women's swimmer.

It's the top meet.

So people love to call her mediocre, make fun of her for coming in fifth, troll her, troll a troll.

But it is a big deal to have swum this meet.

And she famously, very famously, tied for fifth with one Leah Thomas.

And we can go back and forth, of course, about the competitive advantage debate and the question, the science therein.

We've done episodes on that on this show.

But the larger argument that that platform, that literal platform became politically was even more dire.

Right?

I mean, the claim that Riley Gaines goes on to make, that this room, that this president goes on to make, is that female athletes are not only losing to the Leah Thomases of the world, the trans athlete, they're being victimized.

I asked Brett Favre, what do you make of all these transgender athletes, men invading women's sports?

Trans invading sports.

Trans infiltration of women's sports put women in actual danger.

Absolutely.

You hear it all the time.

The idea that trans women are, quote unquote, invading women's spaces and putting them at risk.

It's been incredibly effective as far as changing policy.

There are, last time I checked, 29 states that have gone ahead and banned trans women and trans girls from women's athletics.

That's huge.

That's obviously more than half the country.