Pablo Torre

Yeah, a shit talker.

So now we're getting into 2020, and Riley Gaines, again, is on the team at the same time.

She's a year older than Trinity Ward, and it sounds like things start escalating.

As Trinity started spending more time on this team, she said that the women's swim program revealed what she called some darker sides.

There definitely were some darker sides to that, like, you know, doing that pushing in an intense way that was not

not productive, like full on, you know, yelling at somebody where it was like, hey, like now that I'm... What Trinity and her two teammates all described to me was a culture set by Coach Lars at the top that went beyond talking, beyond mercurial.

The way these three swimmers talked about it and all of them were on the team at the same time as Riley Gaines.

It was a place where they felt like their confidence was destroyed.

And like seeing someone cry or just

become very upset or just say like, oh, I feel so worthless.

That's really tough to see.

They talked about how if they didn't do well at a meet, they would be punished.

They would have to do punishment swims.

Like all the coaches left the pool deck and we were told to just swim and don't stop for two hours.

All three of the teammates told me stories about how Coach Lars would try to force them to practice when they had real injuries or were seriously sick.

Trinity says Lars didn't believe in days off.

And on the swim team, this is pretty clear that a lot of these practices that were supposed to be voluntary under NCAA rules weren't.

The NCAA actually suspended Jorgensen for three years for going over limits on practice hours.

The NCAA literally requires days off.

There are all these rules that are strict about practice hours in season versus the off season.