Pat (co-host/producer)

And I think it undercuts the main argument that people have when it comes to Trump, that he's this no bullshit leader who is tough and is willing to stand up to people.

I think you can easily extend that to Stephen Miller and try to ridicule him.

But what do you think about the argument that she uses, which is that you should attack him over his height, for example, because he's short and insecure about it, supposedly?

That kind of rubs me the wrong way because there are also people on our side who have insecurities or are short or whatever the case may be.

So attacking Stephen Miller over his height, are we also sort of in kind attacking our own who are short or insecure?

Yeah.

I mean, all this stuff could apply to like any masculine feature, right?

I suppose the hypocrisy angle is like the best way to go about doing it, that these right wingers claim that they are examples of these alpha males, but they don't live up to their own standards like that's the safest way.

Yeah, but maybe they just say, well, just because we value these things, just because we value the alpha males, that doesn't mean that we all are that archetype of masculinity and we admire those people who have those qualities, but we're not necessarily saying that we ourselves are those alpha figures.

They could always use that approach, but I don't know if that's all that convincing either.

Well, you know, AOC likes to speak candidly to her audience when she does these live streams.

It's, you know, not a bad idea, I think, to hit Stephen Miller where it hurts.

I do worry about those like immutable characteristics going out after those things, because I think people could get the wrong intentions.

But certainly there's a lot of different ways you can make fun of Stephen Miller.

Just take a look at what he says when he does these media appearances and respond to him.

I mean, you can just look at that if you want to criticize something about him.

And you think that's because it's specifically UFC because it's fighting like if they.

All right.

Yeah, I don't have anything in principle against like having a UFC fight or certainly like a basketball game or a baseball game.

I can see how UFC would be like a stretch too far for people because of the violent nature of it.