Pat Kenny

Good morning, Pat.

Thanks for having me.

You might remind us of how you and Tiglin became synonymous.

So Tickling is a movement rather than simply a place.

Now, the housing crisis is getting worse.

I mean, the homeless numbers seem to go up year on year.

We don't seem to be making much progress.

So as the problem gets bigger, the provision of wraparound services for people becomes almost an impossible mountain to climb.

Now people listening will say, that's fantastic for the people who are marginalised to have all of this.

Here am I, myself and my partner are working all the hours that God sends.

We can't afford anything like that.

But if you take that particular problem, I mean, you gave that as an example.

So what's the fix for that particular problem?

But you're asking government to make an investment in the hope that it'll all work.

You know, spend the money now and you get the dividend later.

That's not generally the way governments work.

So when you look at all of the stories of the homeless that has tripled, as you say, in those intervening years since Simon Coveney's time and the profile changing, so you've relatively back of the day affluent people now without a home.

It requires something really, really radical to address that because I'm not sure the person who's commuting to the countryside to stay with the mammy at the weekend and living in a tent in Sandymount during the week, that is not sustainable going forward.

I recently met an academic from Trinity College in Dublin who's an overseas academic who can't afford to stay here, can't find a house for his family.

Thank you.