Pat Kenny

And, of course, Keir Starmer said, I'm going to fight on.

I'm going to contest.

If there is a candidate in the ring, I'm going to fight.

He's not, it might appear.

Now, that is Rory Stewart, former diplomat, former Tory minister and co-host with Alastair Campbell of The Rest Is Politics.

But he's asking a very pertinent question about whether Britain or Europe become vassal states of the United States.

It's often argued that we are already in defense terms, vassal states, depending on the good offices of the RAF to police our skies and the good offices of other EU countries to help us police our undersea cables.

Game over.

It's interesting.

I mean, people are saying, you know, Britain's going to be like Italy with 10 prime ministers in as many years, that kind of thing.

I'm joined now by Paul Davis, Associate Professor of Management at DCU, who's been writing about how we should proceed with our defence procurement, what precisely we need and what we don't need to spend money on and how best any money we have should be spent.

And I would say to Andy Burnham, be careful what you wish for.

Now, your investigation draws on thousands of messages and on court documents and interviews.

This may not be a bed of roses.

And it would seem, on the face of what you have discovered, game, set and match.

Paul, good morning and welcome.

Good morning, Pat.

Thank you for having me.

Now, the traditional way of budgeting for these things is here's a budget.

And yet these guys walked.