Pat Kenny

But do you think this will offer a boost to his poll numbers?

You've been in and out of the White House so many times.

The question of deflection and diversion, I mean, when you ask an awkward question, you're put down and immediately animated as either fake news or a left-wing hack or whatever it might be.

And the same goes for anyone who…

on any kind of robust questioning, either of Trump himself or any of his acolytes, whether it's Pete Hegseth, who can be quite belligerent with members of the press, and certainly Caroline Levitt.

For such a young woman, she has assembled quite an arsenal of put-downs.

The art of deflection has really been, I suppose, raised to a high degree of proficiency by this White House.

Now, do you think any of this is going to change the nature of security around Donald Trump?

I mean, this is the first time as president he attended the dinner and it was rumored that he was going to have a right go, including those remarks from Caroline Leavitt that shots would be fired.

I think she was being metaphorical there that there would be certain attacks on the media establishment.

But do you think anything is going to change on foot of this particular incident?

I'm reminded of what I think was, whether it was the IRA or Sinn Féin said this during the Troubles, you know, about the security forces have to be lucky all the time.

We only have to be lucky once.

Forever, yeah.

And of course, they almost got her in Brighton.

But that is the question for the security service, for the secret service who are deployed to particularly protect the president and his family and his entourage and so on.

I wonder, can that be any more clear?

restrictive than it already is because it is pretty restrictive.

I've dealt with them when President Clinton was in Dublin, for example, and I was introducing President Clinton from the platform.

That was my job.