Pat Kenny

If they don't take a seat, either or both of those seats, I mean, does that elevate the threat to Mary Lou or is she right that she is secure?

I think it does.

Isn't there always a problem when people are forever in opposition and they have to keep on making the same noises, the same speeches, which is generally not to cooperate with government.

I mean, the duty of the opposition is to oppose and to challenge and to interrogate government policies.

Yeah.

But that you kind of sound like you're repeating your bleating.

Do you know what I mean?

And people get tired of it.

And then you get the international straw in the wind with Meta cutting 10% of its global workforce and how that will impact in Ireland.

It will to some extent.

Do the big boys, the data centres and so on, do they pay those contributions proportionately as well, I wonder?

Because if you strip it away from the households and you also strip it away from the big users, the cement manufacturers and so on, if they are paying those levies, well, then, you know, it puts a huge onus on government because they may not pay the taxes we want them to pay.

And yet, you know, so I'm wondering if that transfer makes sense.

It's going to have to be paid for one way or the other.

The easiest way is to levy the punter.

We looked at the energy market on the program a couple of weeks back and the way we charge or we pay for our power.

You get maybe cheap green power for the first whatever.

Then you reach peak and you have to bring in some gas generators.

They get paid top dollar.

But because they get paid top dollar, everybody gets paid top dollar.