Pat Kenny

He said that.

Sir Keir Starmer calling on some old allies to bail him out.

Now, you talk about the politics within RT.

Now, it always struck me when I worked there that, you know, there was talk about the stickies, the official IRA, official Sinn Féin, really, at the time, and whether people had provost sympathies or sticky sympathies.

And that was deemed to be political.

And yet, if someone had Fianna Fáil sympathies or Fianna Gael sympathies, that wasn't deemed to be political at all.

That was deemed to be normal.

Yeah.

How big did she become?

I mean, so many prime ministers in a decade, if he's replaced, it'll be seven in 10 years.

I mean, it's getting towards banana republic territory.

Now, the book is called Saints, Scholars and Scandals.

We've adverted to some of the scandals, but there were money scandals.

I mean, if you talk about Gay Byrne and, you know, one of your preoccupations, it would seem, would be the star system and remuneration of stars.

How did she end her life?

Where did she live?

Because obviously the voice of a soprano, it doesn't last forever.

But Gay was pretty poorly paid for most of his career until he was robbed, if you like, by one of your class, a financial man.

Now, Farage, as PM in number 10, a lot of the commentary is saying, well, as we heard from yesterday on this program, that it's all very well for reform to make gains.

So retirement always beckons at a time.