Pat O'Connell

It is a crime.

Yeah, of course.

It's, you know, like, I mean, it's not, you know...

In terms of the scale of criminality, I mean, you have all these different crimes that people take part in.

Some of them are property-related crimes.

You obviously have, you know, murders and manslaughter and all this kind of thing.

When it comes to people who are convicted of crimes against children, the victims in those cases...

You know, their entire lives have been damaged by what these people have done.

So, and that's the flip side with these things that, you know, a story like the last day where you see these three guys attending a massage parlor and appearing to have the time of their life and go out for meals.

Thinking that's appropriate.

Having a great time.

Flip side of that is each of these guys had victims.

In Anna McKenna's case, even though it was child sexual abuse imagery, there was hundreds of those images, so there's hundreds of victims.

In the other two cases, there was one victim in each count, but they have to see these images.

They have to see these guys who are convicted of horrendous offenses, and here they are at the opening of a massage parlor having a great time.

Yeah, there's personal therapy and there's also a different strategy towards managing their reintegration into society.

But I suppose...

like in the case of Harry Daly, Harry Daly sat down with Sinead, that's something that has to be agreed by both sides.

And he said he was sorry for what he had done.

Um, you know, in the case of Noel Savage, Noel Savage told the guards that he wasn't a pedophile.