Pat (Producer Pat), Unknown last name

Yeah, it's absolutely right.

And at this point, we're getting such a slow drip of information having to do with these Epstein files.

But it's important to not jump to conclusions just because we hear a name mentioned in the files.

That doesn't mean that they were guilty of anything.

There could have just been contact between Epstein and Musk and these other figures.

And it doesn't mean that they did anything wrong or illegal.

Also, I think it's worth mentioning that if part of Epstein's plan with how he ran the scheme was to first meet these wealthy and powerful individuals before slowly opening them up to blackmail and having them do these illicit things, well, then he has to make the initial steps, right, of getting to know them and maybe scheduling meetings and this sort of thing.

So just because there was something on the books, that doesn't mean that Elon or these other people names were implicated, but it would be nice to have the entirety of the files, right?

Because then I think we would know a lot more of this information for sure.

Yeah, I don't care if it's worse for Republicans, worse for Democrats.

The truth is what's most important here, especially with a story as serious as this.

I just get the sense, though, that ultimately it could be Republicans who are hurt more from this because they're the ones obstructing right now.

And also their party is a lot more dependent on just one political figure, which of course is Trump.

Everything in the Republican Party revolves around Trump.

Whereas if there was any number of Democratic figures, if any single name was implicated, I don't obviously want to give examples, but there would still be plenty of other people to lead the party.

We would still have plenty of options for 2028, for example.

So I don't think it would be this major disaster for us Democrats if a few names were listed.

Whereas if Trump was all over the files, and it seems like he is, that actually could be a disaster for Republicans.

Totally.

But do you think it makes sense that Trump is hiding the Epstein files not to save his own skin, but to save the people around him, to protect his friends?