Pat Rieken

We're your favorite podcast.

Have you ever said that to anyone before? Any podcasters that came in?

Yeah, your favorite.

I can't stop talking about it, but I just did a rewatch of Laguna Beach. And then I remembered as I was doing it that Kristen and Steven did a rewatch podcast two years ago. And I listened to them and it was like unbelievably rewarding. Yeah.

I am unfortunately a hater. And I don't want to be. I don't think it's good. And I don't support it. But it's like you can't change how you are.

I know. But I try to like mitigate it. Like I'm like just because I hate doesn't mean I have to act on it. You know what I mean?

You can only control how you respond to the hatred deep inside you.

Even though I am a Swifty. You know, I briefly downloaded, this just reminded me of it. I briefly downloaded the app threads, like the Twitter. And I, as a joke threaded, I'm seriously sick of everyone cursing. People need to stop cursing. people lost it on me. I was like crazy. I was like, I was literally like counseled for saying, jokingly being like, people need to seriously stop cursing.

But then I, of course, doubled down to everyone who was like, who are you to tell me how to speak on that? And then I responded to every single comment saying, it's seriously not okay to curse. And then it was getting too much and I deleted threads. I was like, I have to get out of here.

But it's more. There's haters everywhere. It's more them showing you. It's more strangers being showed to you. Like, who you follow doesn't really matter. Threads is like, we'll keep in mind who you follow, but we're going to show you kind of whoever we feel.

Oh, can't stand it, I think.

I would say until, you know, I live in LA, until the recent events, like, I was enjoying it.

I was, like, aspirational. I was optimistic. But now it seems quite bad.

Yeah.

June.

So if you see someone from Oklahoma and may tell them happy new year.

I'm always like, this is what I'm going to stretch because I'm so not flexible. I could barely hook up.

It's crazy. Even before we were talking about what we ate for breakfast and Catherine asked if I ate my – because I'm in a hotel and I got an omelet. And Catherine asked if I had it in bed. And I was like, I don't like eating in bed. And then I realized it's because I'm not flexible enough to eat in bed. I can't sit up in a bed.

It's crazy. I know.

I need doctors around me at all times.

Tell me what is going on. And like, yeah, I can't eat in bed. I can't hook up. But this year I've really been stretching.

It's also mainly motivated by my desire to do squats. Which is motivated by desire to – To have about the size of a two-bedroom home. Oh.

It's garish. So basically, I'm mainly limited by – this is so boring. I'm mainly limited by ankle flexibility, which – and I remember when I one time had a physical therapist named Corinne whose boyfriend worked in nightlife and owned a gay club, but all of her friends said that wasn't weird. Yeah. And she told me I have really tight ankles. And so I've always done this.

So I'll Google, like, whatever I know is tight, I'll Google, like, what is the best way to stretch this thing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

might come up no no there's no way to know there's no way to know um but i as you found out earnest journaling like i like i live to journal i wake up i'm a lesbian but when you do these lesbian journalings do you are you writing like i'll do like morning pages where just like whatever whatever but there's no like whenever i read if i read like david's address he's like i've written everything i did and it feels like he's journaling in this productive or more thoughtful way where you're actually synthesizing thought and putting it down to page are you doing that

Well, you're always journaling for the eyes of some future person who finds it.

But why do you mean earnest journaler?

I'm not. But it's just whatever. It's chicken scratch.

It's artist's way. Yeah, it's artist's way. I just really, really hate it. Said with derision.

Oh, really?

I quite like it, but when I'm so habitual about it, it's almost like a compulsion where it takes up too much time, right? I'm like, I can't do this until I journal, and then it's like, well, is this helpful? The million-dollar question.

Do you talk about your personal life on this podcast?

Because I was going to say, of course, you're having a good year.

You found love.

Fright Fest. Do you know Fright Fest?

It's where ghoulies come around and try to haunt you. And if you act scared, they even target you more.

Wait, you need to sue Six Flags.

We were right on the tail end. It was like four cities.

Of course there is, but I did leave LA in such a, like, commotion of, like, I couldn't get into my garage because all the power was out. Oh, my God. And I had, like, no gas. I had to, like, get it to my friend's house because he doesn't have signs on his street and just, like, park it there. And then, like, I don't do well when it's, like, a different hotel every day.

And then every day it's, like, well, where's my, like, when's the plane, when's the train? And I'm, like, well.

I don't like it.

But you know what was fun is I did see someone that I love in each city.

It's fun to go to cities you don't normally go to and be like, oh, my God, that person. And then, like, get dinner with them or something.

Yeah.

And me and Betsy went over to your place for dinner. You did. And then we ran. He was already on a crosswalk near Eden Square.

And got noodles.

Against all odds. How did y'all meet? College.

Emerson.

Okay, we're going to have fun, you and I. You know, it was a huge part of growing up, finding out that if you drop a penny off the Empire State Building, you could kill someone.

It just, like, was such a fact you were told. Like, did you know if you even dropped just a penny off the Empire State Building, it could kill someone?

I love standing near a building and feeling weird looking down. And feeling weird.

You know what I mean? Like, looking at a really tall building and feeling, like, weird. Yeah. I love that.

I wish you could bottle that and sell it.

I'm sure. It's, like, I feel like it's... Never seen either, but I almost think that's how I want to go.

No, via a penny falling from a- I'll drop it on you if you want.

It would be so hard to plan because it would be so hard to aim.

Me neither.

I'm a lover.

Stop.

No.

Exactly how I thought.

I am actually usually prompt. People think I'm not because of how I am in other ways, but I am usually prompt.

I was like more Grindr-y than I thought I would be. Is that okay to say? Yeah, let's say space for Grindr. I think it'd be that amount of Grindr-y. You never know when I might go Grindr with it.

That's what Grindr is.

It's a huge part of... Just chatting? Chatting with intent to meet and it's like it doesn't happen and hours are gone. You don't get it back, by the way. Grindr has a policy where the time you spend, you don't get back.

It's just true frustration. You're finding when you think you have someone, they flake and then you find someone and then you're like, wait, actually not you at all. You flake and then like flaking is a huge part of the culture. And then like no flakes is a big part of the culture. And like, I'm not really part of it. Like flaking, like not coming.

So then people put in there and because it happens so frequently, people put in their bios, like seriously, do not flake. Like no flakes. I don't want to lose it if you flake. And then when you know you're going to flake and they have that, it's like, they're going to be so mad. But I ain't going.

I want to go to a beach like that.

I went to the Miami for New Year's one time. It was fun.

It was the week of Art Basel.

Wait, what guys?

I don't remember.

I have no recollection.

Were they tall?

Oh, from that house?

Okay, yeah. Okay, okay. I forgot that aspect of it.

Yes, but then it was at a house.

We're so bad at that. I don't know what's going on now.

I can predict what has happened already in 2003. Let me say this.

Yeah, I'm always, like, shocked. Like, I'm shocked. Like, I never knew wide pants were going to happen again.

You know when someone's, like, I did After Midnight. And do you know that Nikki Campbell, the TikToker? No.

So funny.

And so, like, knows what he's talking about. And I do not. Oh, I know who that is. And I obviously, like, haven't built...

my empire based on fashion knowledge so I don't feel weird about it they had him go down like the panel of comedians and like say like oh my god he was on the show he came out for like a segment I'm so scared and so he was so nice and so great and he was like um nay but he was so nice about it I could tell just by like you know when you see someone scan your outfit and you just you're like I know that everything's wrong you