Pat Wright

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I also feel kind of really passionate about kind of helping people get on top of some of those basic things.

And a lot of people find, I guess, money something that is confronting or they feel maybe they switch off when, you know, there's conversations about money or debt or, you know, incomes and things like this.

And I think the more people we can empower people to get on top or understand what's going on with their money and have some choices and make some decisions, I think that's a really good thing.

So, yeah.

I think that's a really great question, Kate.

And there's a few things we do.

And I guess that's something for me as well that I've spent a lot of time thinking about when I'm writing stuff is like, how am I making sure I'm getting all different perspectives?

And for me, it starts with asking questions.

I think one of the traps that can sometimes happen is that people might have an idea about a story and then kind of find people to prosecute that story.

It's almost like finding the actors from central casting that fit this preconceived idea you have.

But for me, I think it's really one of the things I really do is I start with questions.

And so if we're thinking about credit card debt, it might be like, what does credit card debt look like?

Who are the people this is affecting?

What are some different circumstances?

And maybe some people from different backgrounds as well.

Maybe there's a lot of people who might be on high incomes, but also struggle with credit card debt.

There might be a very different story if you talk to

you know, the financial counsellors about some of the issues their clients face.

So I guess I start with the questions, try to talk to a lot of different people with different perspectives.