Patrick Boyd

It's not just a captain doing the captain's job and the first officer doing the first officer's job, but the interaction between them is really important.

and the field really got its wings as you could say back in the 70s when there was a still to this day the most fatal air accident that ever happened where these two 747s heavily laden with tourists were maneuvering around in the fog at tenerife airport in the canary islands One was about to take off.

and the field really got its wings as you could say back in the 70s when there was a still to this day the most fatal air accident that ever happened where these two 747s heavily laden with tourists were maneuvering around in the fog at tenerife airport in the canary islands One was about to take off.

and the field really got its wings as you could say back in the 70s when there was a still to this day the most fatal air accident that ever happened where these two 747s heavily laden with tourists were maneuvering around in the fog at tenerife airport in the canary islands One was about to take off.

The other one had not yet left the runway, but the first one couldn't tell because it was so foggy. And the first officer, as they're about to take off, the first officer says, I don't think the runway is clear. And the captain's like, yeah, we're good. And they take off and they hit the other plane. And hundreds and hundreds of people died. And so it was realized, well, the problem is that

The other one had not yet left the runway, but the first one couldn't tell because it was so foggy. And the first officer, as they're about to take off, the first officer says, I don't think the runway is clear. And the captain's like, yeah, we're good. And they take off and they hit the other plane. And hundreds and hundreds of people died. And so it was realized, well, the problem is that

The other one had not yet left the runway, but the first one couldn't tell because it was so foggy. And the first officer, as they're about to take off, the first officer says, I don't think the runway is clear. And the captain's like, yeah, we're good. And they take off and they hit the other plane. And hundreds and hundreds of people died. And so it was realized, well, the problem is that

Somebody on the flight deck understood that there was a potentially major problem, but they weren't able to communicate it to the person who was in the controls of the aircraft at that time. So you had a lot of people talking about this thing. People in the industry started really taking it more seriously. Now CRM is mandated as part of the training. And Nathan talks about it in the show.

Somebody on the flight deck understood that there was a potentially major problem, but they weren't able to communicate it to the person who was in the controls of the aircraft at that time. So you had a lot of people talking about this thing. People in the industry started really taking it more seriously. Now CRM is mandated as part of the training. And Nathan talks about it in the show.

Somebody on the flight deck understood that there was a potentially major problem, but they weren't able to communicate it to the person who was in the controls of the aircraft at that time. So you had a lot of people talking about this thing. People in the industry started really taking it more seriously. Now CRM is mandated as part of the training. And Nathan talks about it in the show.

He feels that even though it's mandated, it isn't sufficient. They don't really do a very good job.

He feels that even though it's mandated, it isn't sufficient. They don't really do a very good job.

He feels that even though it's mandated, it isn't sufficient. They don't really do a very good job.

So Nathan's argument is that there's a big difference between being told something in a PowerPoint presentation or reading it in a book or your teacher telling you about it in a classroom. There's a big difference between that and actually doing it in the cockpit.

So Nathan's argument is that there's a big difference between being told something in a PowerPoint presentation or reading it in a book or your teacher telling you about it in a classroom. There's a big difference between that and actually doing it in the cockpit.

So Nathan's argument is that there's a big difference between being told something in a PowerPoint presentation or reading it in a book or your teacher telling you about it in a classroom. There's a big difference between that and actually doing it in the cockpit.

There's a whole field. It's a small field, but it's a field of academic study of this particular subset of CRM where people talk, it's called safety voice. Britain and Europe have different equivalents of the FAA, but they both require a significant amount of time spent getting certified in a particular skill called MCC, which stands for multi-crew cooperation.

There's a whole field. It's a small field, but it's a field of academic study of this particular subset of CRM where people talk, it's called safety voice. Britain and Europe have different equivalents of the FAA, but they both require a significant amount of time spent getting certified in a particular skill called MCC, which stands for multi-crew cooperation.

There's a whole field. It's a small field, but it's a field of academic study of this particular subset of CRM where people talk, it's called safety voice. Britain and Europe have different equivalents of the FAA, but they both require a significant amount of time spent getting certified in a particular skill called MCC, which stands for multi-crew cooperation.

And the idea is that when you learn how to fly, you're flying alone, and then when you start to become an airline pilot, you're now in this situation where you have to cooperate. And as I said, the flight crew is more than the sum of its parts. You have to learn how to deal with this other person and work cooperatively, share the information that you need to share, listen, speak, all that.