Patrick Brammall

He's someone who's built things slowly, a career, a partnership, a family.

And now, as the rest of the world gets to know him, it feels like they're being introduced not just to an actor, but to someone who's taken the long way to this moment and has the experience to know it doesn't define him and to know exactly what matters to him beyond it.

Thank you so much for listening to No Filter.

The executive producer of No Filter is Brie Player.

The assistant producer is Coco Levine.

Audio production and video editing by Josh Green.

Social production by Olivia Coleman.

This episode was recorded at Mamma Mia's studios.

I'm Kate Langbrook and I will see you next Monday.