Patrick Broe

And the problem there comes from the GC guys that have been signed over the last three, four years.

Yes, but if your goal is Grand Tour GCs, like if you do look at Red Bull, very consistent.

Like if you do, how many times they've been on the podium of a Grand Tour in the last five years is actually remarkably, it's higher than you think.

It's like one of the top three teams.

And I agree, there is then a difference from that to winning the Tour is like there's a step change there.

From podiuming of Vuelta to winning the Tour, there is another like step change.

But yeah, I just think-

Yeah, and I think the classics this year took a step back at Trek.

That being said, we're saying everything that's gone wrong maybe, and we don't know who is making the calls.

We don't know who was signing the riders two years ago.

Since Little bought the team, did it change?

Because who's now paying is different.

We don't know.

We're just saying from the outside what –

the direction of the team's results and what's happened with them.

And the results haven't really improved from like 18 months ago, despite the influx of money.

And then there's like, there's changes.

And obviously Lidl wants it to be the changing, they want it to be like more of a German speaking team, I guess.

And before it was like an Italian American team, right?

Three years ago, that was the brand.