Patrick Campbell

That's when I started bringing on Peter, who you've met before.

And so all of a sudden...

I got Peter brought on and then this is where it started like kind of crumbling.

It was like, okay, so Peter's really going to be my co-founder because like these guys are like helpful and don't get me wrong, but like they're not co-founders, right?

Like that's why I say like founding advisors, board members, but Peter and Fakou who came on 2014, 2013 as a contractor in 2014 full-time, like those are my co-founders, right?

And like, I'm not trying to take away from those guys.

Like I love them.

They're my brothers, all that kind of stuff.

But we definitely had to like go through some years of development to like,

Cause, and it's, it's hard because like I told, I said before, it's, I can't think of them as being nefarious.

Like I tell the story to a bunch of people and they're like, yeah, they were trying to screw you over.

They were like, they recognize a young person and they were like, this guy's going to go build a company.

We're going to get a big cut.

Right.

But if I think that way, then like, I can't work with them.

I can't be friends with them.

Those types of things.

I think more like none of us knew what we were doing.

The problem was, okay, so how do you unfurl this?

The easiest thing to do is just recap and just be like, hey, everyone, let's recap.