Patrick Campbell

So it's just a different world than I am today.

Now I'm an old punk-ass kid, basically.

Yeah.

So not a great origin story there or founding story.

I think everything's good now and everything worked out, obviously.

But I'd never founded a company before I got introduced.

I started getting into the Boston ecosystem.

I got introduced to these other two people who were thinking about the similar space.

And

one of them had never started a company before.

The other had only done venture-backed stuff and wasn't like a founder.

And so all of a sudden it was like, let's do this thing while we're working on other stuff, these two people.

So they were like, we'll do part-time, right?

And I think that's kind of like famous last words.

Like if someone's going to be part-time, you have to set really, really clear expectations about value, all this other stuff.

And these guys were both like,

you know, in the space, they're like a decade older.

So I just kind of made a lot of like naive Midwestern assumptions.

And I don't think anyone was nefarious or at least like, it's so much better to think of it.

Cause you know, they've been in the business the whole time they're on our board.